Distance Selling Regulations?

My understandment of the DSR rules are quite simple:

*Buyer occurs shipping costs, only RMA's the customer shouldnt be out of pocket.

If returning under the DSR's then the buyer has to pay the return postage charge. The retailer however, must provide a full refund of the product plus the initial postage fee. If more than one item was purchased and only a single item was returned you would not get a refund of the initial postage, just a refund for the item returned.


*Restocking fee's can be used *Dark area, this is sometimes silently put in T&C's*

No they can't. The DSR's are quite clear on this.
 
OCUK has agreed to give me a full refund if item is in a resellable condition, Which it is.

Thank you everyone for your help on this area.

Also another quick question, What's the best Courier service to use to ship it back to OCUK, It may help to know what the item im sending back is. It's a full tower computer case. Around 17-19kg so i'm unsure what the best courier service to use is as i've never needed to use one before other than Royal mail :D

I've looked on http://www.interparcel.com and thier quote was the following

Interparcel Premium: £19.99+VAT
Interparcel Standard: £12.50+VAT
Interlink Next Day: £11.49+VAT
TNT UK Express: £9.35+VAT

Also on https://www.dhlitnow.com

10 - 20kg £21.95
 
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OCUK has agreed to give me a full refund if item is in a resellable condition, Which it is.

This is wrong!!! It doesn't matter if the item is resellable or not, as long as you have taken reasonable care of it they must take it back.

My understandment of the DSR rules are quite simple:

*Buyer occurs shipping costs, only RMA's the customer shouldnt be out of pocket.

Taken from the DSR guidelines for businesses http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/general/oft698.pdf.

Section 3.55 onwards states that if a business wants the buyer to pay they have to put it in the contract as part of the required written information on DSR. You'll see most online sites will have a bit in their returns section with regards to DSR and it'll state there that the buyer should pay for the return shipping.

If a website does not have this information published then they cannot charge you for returning the items.

OCUK has this information in their returns information stating the buyer must pay for return postage, so that's the case.

*Item must be able to be resold (so scratches all over it warrants it as used)

This is the biggest misconception with DSR. The item does not have to be in a resellable condition, they just have to have had reasonable care taken with them whilst in possession of the buyer.

Section 3.59 states "The DSRs do not link cancellation rights with a supplier’s ability to resell items as new.".

*Restocking fee's can be used *Dark area, this is sometimes silently put in T&C's*

Again section 3.55 states "You are not allowed to make any further charges, such as a restocking charge or an administration charge."

*Refunds given when stock arrives in and inspected.

Section 3.46 states "You must refund the consumer’s money even if you have not yet collected the goods or had them returned to you by the consumer. You cannot insist on the goods being received by you before you make a refund."

So sadly wrong on all 4 counts there (well, 3.5ish as the return postage is payable is stated by the seller)!

It's a handy document to refer to as it's what businesses should be bound by. Which makes it a good reference when you want to act on them as these are the rules to which they should be following.

Whilst I think the regs are slightly unfair to businesses, especially smaller ones, they are there and it really winds me up when they try and wrangle their way out of it.

I had hassle with someone who sent me the wrong item, which I returned within the DSR period but they (wrongly) said it had been used and refused a refund.
 
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This is wrong!!! It doesn't matter if the item is resellable or not, as long as you have taken reasonable care of it they must take it back.

or not in a resellable condition a refund will not be given.

This was in the email, I recived back from OCUK when i sent a webnote regarding sending item back as im not happy with the product under DSR.

But it doesnt matter, as it is in a resellable condition
 
This was in the email, I recived back from OCUK when i sent a webnote regarding sending item back as im not happy with the product under DSR.

But it doesnt matter, as it is in a resellable condition

Yeah it's all fine in your case, but the regs clearly state that being resellable, rightly or wrongly, is not a condition of return.

They just have to have had reasonable care taken whilst in your possession :)
 
Yeah it's all fine in your case, but the regs clearly state that being resellable, rightly or wrongly, is not a condition of return.

They just have to have had reasonable care taken whilst in your possession :)

Thanks for the clarification mate,

Also another quick question, What's the best Courier service to use to ship it back to OCUK, It may help to know what the item im sending back is. It's a full tower computer case. Around 17-19kg so i'm unsure what the best courier service to use is as i've never needed to use one before other than Royal mail :D

I've looked on http://www.interparcel.com and thier quote was the following

Interparcel Premium: £19.99+VAT
Interparcel Standard: £12.50+VAT
Interlink Next Day: £11.49+VAT
TNT UK Express: £9.35+VAT

Also on https://www.dhlitnow.com

10 - 20kg £21.95
 
I would have thought just Royal Mail would be fine surely? Aslong as it's well packaged and not just shoved in a jiffy bag with a few stamps on it. :D
 
I've used DSR to return a noisy graphics card (Palit GTX 460) back to an online retailer (not OCUK). Had no real problems getting a full refund, though I paid for postage.
 
I always use Interparcel Economy when selling stuff on the bay. £6.99 + vat covered for value up to £50 and £2 extra for each £50 after that. The courier they use is UPS and it takes two days to deliver from collection. They have never let me down yet.
 
I've used DSR quite a few times, as I can't get about very well, and it's great for the purpose of checking out something - though you do need to do research first, because those return postage bills will stack up if you do it too much.

I have used the DSR on occasion with goods that were faulty. If I RMA'd the item, for repair or whatever, it would be much harder to get a refund some weeks or months later, if things didn't go well. If it's not too pricey, I'd much prefer to eat the delivery charge now and get a replacement elsewhere, than get tied up in weeks or months of waiting for an item that may or may not work properly when I get it back.

I've found most etailers in the computer business to be pretty good. This is the part that even the best etailers tend to ignore, though, and it does irritate me:
Section 3.46 states "You must refund the consumer’s money even if you have not yet collected the goods or had them returned to you by the consumer. You cannot insist on the goods being received by you before you make a refund."

The only company I have bought from that I can remember doing this properly is amazon. Also, if it's something they delivered by courier (not something sent through normal post, the way a book or CD would be), they pick it up and you don't pay return postage. Truly excellent service.
 
I always use Interparcel Economy when selling stuff on the bay. £6.99 + vat covered for value up to £50 and £2 extra for each £50 after that. The courier they use is UPS and it takes two days to deliver from collection. They have never let me down yet.

Hmm i saw this Interparcel Economy http://www.interparcel.com/quote At the price you said, Is this the website you use? Works out around roughly £14 if i want to be covered for £250 max, As the product is more than £100 i'll have to select £250

I also looked at https://www.parcel2go.com (Thanks Nyoron) Using DHL UK Standard *Next Day* and it worked out £16.44

Seems pastymuncher your idea is cheaper :D Just for clarification, Did you use http://www.interparcel.com/quote and use Interparcel Economy without any problems?
 
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If you bought a TV from ocuk, smashed the crap out of it, you can still return the item under DSR for a full refund, then it's up to ocuk to recover the costs of the damaged item via courts.
 
Hello all,

OCUK Received the item today and I received an email which said "If your item has been returned for DSR (Distance selling Regulations) refund please note that all refunds will take up to 5 working days to be completed.

We also reserve the right to test and inspect high value items returned under DSR (Distance Selling Regulations).
"

Under my Account Area under RMA it say's the following:

"Status: This item's processing is finished. Outcome: Refunded"

Does this mean OCUK have accepted to issue me a full refund, now I have to wait up to 5 days to receive the payment into my credit/debit card?

Sorry if this sounds stupid I’m just un-sure.

Thanks all,
 
You should get another email with confirmation of the refund details in a few days time, then it's up to 5 days from there before the money shows up in your credit/debit card.
 
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