Or it was an option given to them and not in an optional way.
Do extra terrestrials exist? If so...
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Or it was an option given to them and not in an optional way.
Never heard about this before. That is mental whatever was going on!
It didn't seem to bother the three police officers in the helicopter very much and they went on to describe the object as saucer shaped. You also have to bear in mind that there is a certain amount of pressure on professionals to keep stum about such things due to the embarrassment about being unable to do anything about these incidents etc.There is more to it than just being labelled as crazy.
If I were a pilot I'd have no problem describing something a saucer shaped if I really believed that it was that shape. However, if I thought it was alien spacecraft I'd keep it to myself.
There's always the chance that many of these sort of sightings are of terrestrial origin of a technology not privy to the general public. But that seems very unlikely to me.
There are a million things that UFOs can be that are perfectly explainable, everything from an albatross or other bird(s) to sunflare, cloud formation, to a micrometeorite, to a light aircraft, to a kite, ballon, weather phenomena, or just your common or garden optical illusion.....and many many more....The very small percentage that remain unidentified are simply that, unidentified....it doesn't presume they are Aliens.
There is no need to conclude that there must be aliens visiting devon or that all the other possibilities are somehow less likely......
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But it also doesn't mean that if a UFO is one of 100 possible things, that there's a 1/100 chance that it's a alien spaceship and a 1/100 chance that it's a bird. There's different variables that make certain conclusions more or less likely.
And the Alien Spacecraft is almost certainly the least likely in any given scenario.....which is the point I am making.
There is no overwhelming or body of evidence that is in any way compelling as to the origin of the very small number of sightings that remain unidentified actually being or there even being a likely probability that they are Aliens.....it just means they are unidentified.
Look at it as if it were a murder or death investigation....the Unsub (or not) remains unidentified because there is not enough evidence to indicate the identity of the killer or even if the death was murder....that doesn't mean the killler is a possible Alien or that there was even a killer to begin with...regardless of the possible 'strange' eyewitness accounts or descriptions of the fella running away from the scene etc....
It simply means.....we do not know who (or what) it was......Or even if it was anything.
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Erm, I feel at this point I should reiterate that earlier on in the thread I personally concluded that we have never been visited by alien spacecraft due to theorising what the motives and means where for contact and communication.
But yes, I agree with you that we do not know. Just like we don't know if there is a God or not.
For me personally I think it's a terrible circumstance if the galaxies that have existed for millions (or even billions?) of years longer then our own haven't figured out first, that we are here and second, how to get here.
I'm not certain one way or the other however if truly no other intelligent life has ever managed to reach us given the head-start they have had on us for technology advances, then perhaps we need to seriously consider the idea that we may never leave our solar system.
I'm not certain one way or the other however if truly no other intelligent life has ever managed to reach us given the head-start they have had on us for technology advances, then perhaps we need to seriously consider the idea that we may never leave our solar system.
I thought you were the one who said there was compelling evidence...sorry!
And, yes, in much the same way as we do not know if there is a God or not, each person will assess whatever they accept as evidence in different ways and make their decision of belief based on that.
Which is why I am agnostic about both. (to varying degrees of probability I might add)
We might be able to leave our solar system in a few hundred years but I doubt we'll ever possess the technology leave our galaxy.
I did but I said the card that trumps the compelling evidence is the fact they have not made reasonable means to contact us while they're here. It'd be a awful waste of a journey if they didn't.
Oh I'm sure we could, however I more meant there would be no point as we can't make it even to our closest neighbouring star so why would we bother leaving our solar system?
Say for arguments sake that the evidence was compelling, they may well have been or are in contact with certain individuals, governments or organisations...it is not too difficult to see why the masses would not be informed of such and would actively be deterred from believing such....just the impact on cultural and religious ideology would create Global upheaval.....let alone the scramble from Govts and organisations who were not in contact with them.
It would be a very destablising influence on the world, both politically and culturally.....that would have potentially catastrophic consequences.
There is also the scenario that they are merely observers, and that they have some form of 'do not interfere' directive (such as the ST prime directive for a popular culture example).....or simply they may be unable to communicate effectively or safely.
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This. Or by the time we get to another solar system and back again at near the speed of light so much time will have passed for the place that we left (but not for the people traveling)that it would just be crazy.
Fwiw, when I was 17 and working in Berlin with my dad, we were staying in a hotel (after a load of stupid English kicked off for not getting paid on time, destroying the digs) I had a crazy dream about being in a metal room.
The strange thing is after I woke up and went back to see the gorgous girl I was seeing in the area we had left (something my dad told me not to, in case I was picked up by the police for what the idiot workers had done) he started ranting and raving at me for not being in my bed, nor in my room from the early hours of the morning onwards.
But, I woke up at 2pm, then left to see the girl. So I was adamant that I had been in bed all morning asleep till that time. Had a huge argument about it and ended up walking into berlin with just the clothes on my back and very little cash. Had the best 3 weeks of my life after that, in berlin, but that's another story.
I don't think that conclusion holds up because I think it doesn't take into account the size of the universe.
Assume for the sake of argument that there is a civilisation someone in the universe that has developed technology so far ahead of ours that it makes the difference between modern human technology and stone age technology look trivial. Their technology is so good that they can travel almost any distance almost instantaneously and scan entire stellar systems in quite a lot of detail in a matter of hours. Their society is rich, stable and strongly dedicated to exploration.
As a result, they are maintaining a massive ongoing exploration project on such a huge scale that they survey a million star systems per year. Year after year, a million star systems per year. A staggering rate of exploration using technology vastly superior to our own...and at that rate it would take about a million billion years to survey the observable universe. So what are the chances that they looked around here within the last few thousand years (i.e. since human civilisation began), or even at any time since humanity evolved, or even any any time since the Earth formed? Pretty much nothing, and that's assuming a civilisation that's been running a massive exploration program with extremely advanced technology for millions or even billions of years. So I don't think it's a good enough reason to think that we'll never leave the solar system. Maybe we won't, but not being contacted by aliens isn't relevant.
Why do I believe? Well simply because the chances of another life form existing in the solar system are I would say 100%.
A few figures to get you thinking.
There are approximately 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe. Every single one of these galaxies can contain 10 million, to hundreds of trillions of stars. Let's take the very lower end figure of 10 million. Say all of the galaxies in the observable universe contained 10 million stars, that's 1 million trillion stars that exist (or 1,000,000,000,000,000,000). Each of those stars has the chance to contain a functioning solar system just like ours that can sustain life, and also the possibility that numerous planets or celestial bodies inside these solar systems can sustain life, just like there very well may be inside our own solar system (Titan being a strong contender).
Now, lets use a more realistic figure such as each galaxy containing around 300 billion stars (the middle estimate for the milky way. Remembering this doesn't even come close to those galaxies that can contain billions, or hundreds of trillions of stars). That would make for a total of 30 billion trillion stars in the observable universe (or 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000). As stated above, with each of these stars having a chance of containing planets capable of sustaining life.
That's not even taking into account the upper limits on how many stars a galaxy can contain, such as the low billions. Then there's also the consideration that life can exist in different forms that the life we know. Life as we know it is dependent upon the existance of oxygen. Who's to say that some other life form doesn't exist that functions using different respiratory systems to the life we know. Even now on Earth, cells have been discovered that have found to never have metabolised oxygen.
A few figures to get you thinking.
There are approximately 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe. Every single one of these galaxies can contain 10 million, to hundreds of trillions of stars. Let's take the very lower end figure of 10 million. Say all of the galaxies in the observable universe contained 10 million stars, that's 1 million trillion stars that exist (or 1,000,000,000,000,000,000). Each of those stars has the chance to contain a functioning solar system just like ours that can sustain life, and also the possibility that numerous planets or celestial bodies inside these solar systems can sustain life, just like there very well may be inside our own solar system (Titan being a strong contender).
Now, lets use a more realistic figure such as each galaxy containing around 300 billion stars (the middle estimate for the milky way. Remembering this doesn't even come close to those galaxies that can contain billions, or hundreds of trillions of stars). That would make for a total of 30 billion trillion stars in the observable universe (or 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000). As stated above, with each of these stars having a chance of containing planets capable of sustaining life.
That's not even taking into account the upper limits on how many stars a galaxy can contain, such as the low billions. Then there's also the consideration that life can exist in different forms that the life we know. Life as we know it is dependent upon the existance of oxygen. Who's to say that some other life form doesn't exist that functions using different respiratory systems to the life we know. Even now on Earth, cells have been discovered that have found to never have metabolised oxygen.
Dimple, comparing yourself/your neighbour to NASA scientists and experienced Air Force crew is perhaps somewhat... how do I put it mildly... ludicrous.
A NASA engineer has in-depth knowledge of human technology based on current physics models, while an Air Force pilot knows has in-depth knowledge of aircraft physics, as well as is privy to highly sensitive radio chat and orders that help to ascertain what they are dealing with. If no one back at base knows what they are dealing with after a pilot has seen it point blank with their eyes, and people are being put on high alert, then you can safely assume that yes, it is nothing he has seen before, in a world where he has seen 99.9999% of aircraft and knows what laws of physics they are subjected to.
If those two groups have never seen a flying object before, and cannot identify or compare it to any of the craft they have seen throughout their entire careers as aerospace/aeronaut experts, that radically changes the situation vs you and your (as startlingly intelligent and world-wise as im sure they are) neighbours.