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Do nvidia downgrade performance on older card

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This never ends well

This never ends well

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As title says, when the gtx 680 come out it beat the hell out of the 7970, but now its the other way round.

Same again for the 780ti and 290x

Also didn't the 980ti beat the 1080 when 1st released.

Not trying to start a war as seen so many people say about this.
 
980ti has never beaten the 1080, where did you get that from? Perhaps in some obscure benchmark, but for the most part the 1080 has always been quite a decent jump ahead right from the start.

It's more likely that AMD's driver support just improved to get more out of their cards.
 
AMD get more out of their cards over their life time + nvidia don't spend as much time or money on optimising their older gen. cards.
 
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Isn't it more to do with the GCN architecture?

Architectural improvements at driver level on the new cards also have an effect on the older cards as they as they share many architectural designs.
 
This can't be proven but as soon as a new gen NV card comes out the old gen goes backwards pretty fast. This does not happen with a AMD card. Is it gimping am not sure but to me it's close to being that. The gtx780 ti was around 10% slower than a gtx980. Now it's around 20-30%. Is this the newer architecture coming into play, less love or pure gimping. Only you can make up your mind.

The 290x on the other hand was a good bit slower than the gtx980 and is now on par in the form of the 390x with a slight speed bump.
 
jamiehard1989 said:
As title says, when the gtx 680 come out it beat the hell out of the 7970, but now its the other way round.

Same again for the 780ti and 290x

Also didn't the 980ti beat the 1080 when 1st released.

Not trying to start a war as seen so many people say about this.
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980Ti never beat the 1080.

And staying in the thread, AMD has better driver support and better support FULL STOP.

The 290/290X support DX12 and async compute, even when the card came out DX12 didn't existed! (nor was even announced) Same applies to 285 also.

I still remember the arguments here when AMD announced that the 290 & 290X going to support DX12 with simple driver update, and all NV worshippers were talking that was fubar, and NV could do the same with the 7 series.

However the 780Ti & Titan Black (came out together) were left to rot by NV, while the 290X and it's twin brother 390X, are still there going strong......
 
They don't get worse, but they don't get better. It's like having the same salary but every year you have inflation. Essentially you're losing money but your actual amount hasn't changed. AMD is like if the salary kept up with inflation, but no raise otherwise.
 
Never seen any decrease in performance with my 780 - there is a small number of recent titles where the performance was less than stellar but fortunately I didn't really play them.

In the months before I swapped to a 1070 I was running a 780GHZ with a 970 to hand and despite what you'd see in many benchmarks it was often close to or beating the 970 - in many of the games I actually play(ed) the most the 780 was actually the faster card and in many cases I was happily playing at 1440p with reasonable performance despite many benchmarks making out like it wasn't really upto beyond 1080p (albeit without G-Sync in older times I'd have upgrades to stay a bit more above 60fps with settings turned up rather than hovering around 60fps).

AMD have typically jumped on features prematurely which tends to give their cards a bit of extra mileage towards the end of their life cycle but personally I'd rather have the performance there for the first 2 years or so of the cards life and then upgrade as needed as you can only drag out an older card so long any way.
 
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In b4 the high end Nv users that always dumps last gen and replaces with the newest Nv release@launch disagrees with the tinfoil hat crowd.:p


Imo:

Nv launch with a strong baseline and optimise profiles all the way up until the next gen arrives, then it's curtains for optimising future titles, they just get a base working profile.

Unless they get a kick up the ass W3 style when performance was that poor on Kepler and it caused outrage in the Nv community.

Element here argued/mocked both AMD/Nv users that it wasn't gimped and it was down to the Kepler architecture not being capable...yet Nvidia shock horror-unsurprisingly 'fixed' the non capable Kepler architecture.:o

Whether it was intentionally gimped or not to generate Maxwell sales throughout the weeks it took to optimise it-well pretty sure that's a split division too.:p



AMD, they trip out the door backwards with a working/competitive baseline, but optimisation never stops, the 79/2/390 series make a mockery of their direct counterparts/+ in DX11, more so in DX12.

Problem being longevity is harming AMD as you don't need to rush out and buy new cards, Nv's quick driver(optimisation) eol practice, generates new sales-lots of them-and is why they are so far out in front.




TLDR, this NV user here would go with:

TheRealDeal said:
Give me a G an I an M a P an E and D :D:D:D:D.
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:p
 
End of the day despite what some will claim the 680 was a mid-range card dressed up to look like something higher end while the 7970 came out of a design more orientated to that of a high end card and in the long run has been shown up for what it really is.

780ti still largely holds up well against the 290x - some newer games where its a mixed story but as much as anything that is due to the engines being kind of meh i.e. the Dawn engine :S
 
Never saw performance decrease on my titan. Even after 3 years. Nvidia didn't give it as much lovin' as they could after the release of maxwell and pascal but it never got worse.

AMD's post release driver support does seem to be much longer. Is this cause they they have used GCN since the 7970 which is fairly similar? (honest question - please answer)
 
Once we see Navi, if it is a lot different from GCN then we might see the same with AMD as Nvidia's 7 series, but also the lower/mid end AMD card normally have more ram and a wider bus.
 
I dont think they downgrade older cards as such , only recently changed from my 780 and its scored about the same as it always has in games and benchs But i do think they dont continue to improve the driver optimisation for them unless pushed.
AMD side its a little harder to drop optimisation for older cards such as say the 290 series as it carried on into the 390 series and has only recently become EOL and even now its EOL its still really a currentish card for many AND users.
For the current gen gamer in me i'm happy for the latest gen to get all the funding to do better, for the guy that often likes to keep my gpu a few years i prefer the lets help GPU's a few gens back too
 
I think if anything at all it's just less love I think. It's norm to concentrate on the current products. I suspect the gap just gets bigger in newer games as an optimised driver for an older game is always optimised so I doubt a 980Ti has got faster by % over the 780 Ti in games that were new when the 780 Ti was on the shelves...they just don't spend as much time optimising the older cards for newer games.

Not sure about the AMD side of things. I've used some of their products with shocking early drivers and my own belief is that they are poorly optimised to start with and possibly the architecture design is not one which is easy to optimise for which arguably means a poor design. This might be proven by higher FLOPS but lower real performance.
 
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I think AMD cards just mature better with drivers.
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Would argue it has more to do with the way games are made and the architecture scaling better with time. The crimson update did bring some performance improvement across the board, and it's pretty great that they've been using the same architecture for such a long time that every card based on that architecture benefits from any new performance improvements.
 
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Would argue it has more to do with the way games are made and the architecture scaling better with time. The crimson update did bring some performance improvement across the board, and it's pretty great that they've been using the same architecture for such a long time that every card based on that architecture benefits from any new performance improvements.
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Now imagine where AMD would be with NVIDIA's budget :eek:
 
The 980Ti has never beaten the 1080 as far as I know. Pick 999 games out of a 1000 and the 1080 wins but that one game might well swing to the 980Ti and even then it would need a big OC,

The 680 launched and ****ed all over the more expensive 7970, roll on 10 months and AMD finally got the 7970 up in performance and it beat the 680. Quite outstanding really that 7970/50 owners were applauding AMD, when it was clear that they had spent near a year playing games with sub par performance but some AMD fans are a rare breed lol. And blow me, they did it again with the 290X/390X/Fury X etc with Crimson drivers.... Wait many many months and then you get the performance that those owners should have had from the off. Again, some claim NVidia as the bad one's for some odd reason, when clearly it is AMD who are always playing catch up and should be getting a kick up the bum for slacking in the first place.
 
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