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Do Ryzen CPUs still have 'issues' in games? Upgrade questions.

rIcK

rIcK

rIcK

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Howdy folks, I remember when Ryzen 1st and 2nd gen CPUs were on the market, following much of Digital Foundry's Youtube footage seemed to indicate odd stutters and weird incompatibility issues in a variety of games when compared to equivalent Intel CPUs at the time. I can only assume this was because of new CPU architecture and Intel dominance over the previous 10 years.

Fast forwards to today, I have a 9900k (5ghz oc) + RTX3090 rig + 32GB of DDR4 3200, I am considering getting a 5950x / 5900x.

My PC usage is mostly mixed, media / gaming and encoding mixture, mostly gaming.

So:

1) If I was to upgrade today, and overclocked a 5900x / 5950x. What sort of all core clock speeds should I expect?

2) Do these issues with stutters and odd game incompatibilities still exist with the Ryzen architecture back from a couple of years ago?
 
rIcK said:
Howdy folks, I remember when Ryzen 1st and 2nd gen CPUs were on the market, following much of Digital Foundry's Youtube footage seemed to indicate odd stutters and weird incompatibility issues in a variety of games when compared to equivalent Intel CPUs at the time. I can only assume this was because of new CPU architecture and Intel dominance over the previous 10 years.

Fast forwards to today, I have a 9900k (5ghz oc) + RTX3090 rig + 32GB of DDR4 3200, I am considering getting a 5950x / 5900x.

My PC usage is mostly mixed, media / gaming and encoding mixture, mostly gaming.

So:

1) If I was to upgrade today, and overclocked a 5900x / 5950x. What sort of all core clock speeds should I expect?

2) Do these issues with stutters and odd game incompatibilities still exist with the Ryzen architecture back from a couple of years ago?
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1'st gen Ryzen had some teething issue, all that is long gone....

Ryzen 5000 is a faster gaming CPU than the 9900K but not hugely so, TBH if you already have a 5Ghz 9900K its not really worth it, unless you want the extra cores.

With a few tweaks they run at around 5Ghz in games.

Dunno what else to say really, you have a very capable CPU, do you want to spend 100's of £ for a slightly more capable CPU and some more cores?
 
Yea I think the Zen4 suggestion makes sense, good to know that the first gen ryzen issues are pretty much sorted these days though
 
rIcK said:
Howdy folks, I remember when Ryzen 1st and 2nd gen CPUs were on the market, following much of Digital Foundry's Youtube footage seemed to indicate odd stutters and weird incompatibility issues in a variety of games
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Could you name some of these games, because I don't remember that at all, as somebody who also followed it closely. The single and only example I can think of was the original Mass Effect, which was the result of a silly choice by the developers of trying to force 3DNow! instructions to be enabled if an AMD CPU was detected, which is an obsolete instruction set that AMD dropped with the FX lineup (which also suffered the same issue). This caused certain effects to not work properly and render as black squares. A modder quickly fixed this by forcing the game to use the Intel code path on AMD chips.

I certainly don't remember any issues with "stutters" though. If anything, the coverage after first-gen Ryzen's launch was all focused on how it might provide a smoother gaming experience than the 7700K, with higher 1% and 0.1% lows as a result of the extra cores. Anything beyond that is simply down to the somewhat underwhelming performance of Zen and Zen+ in general for gaming when compared to Coffee Lake and later Intel architectures. Needless to say that's no longer the case with Zen 3, which is just plain faster all-round.
 
Aretak said:
Could you name some of these games, because I don't remember that at all, as somebody who also followed it closely. The single and only example I can think of was the original Mass Effect, which was the result of a silly choice by the developers of trying to force 3DNow! instructions to be enabled if an AMD CPU was detected, which is an obsolete instruction set that AMD dropped with the FX lineup (which also suffered the same issue). This caused certain effects to not work properly and render as black squares. A modder quickly fixed this by forcing the game to use the Intel code path on AMD chips.

I certainly don't remember any issues with "stutters" though. If anything, the coverage after first-gen Ryzen's launch was all focused on how it might provide a smoother gaming experience than the 7700K, with higher 1% and 0.1% lows as a result of the extra cores. Anything beyond that is simply down to the somewhat underwhelming performance of Zen and Zen+ in general for gaming when compared to Coffee Lake and later Intel architectures. Needless to say that's no longer the case with Zen 3, which is just plain faster all-round.
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CoD MW for one.
I did have micro-stutters and it really bloody annoyed me. Other games I don't know.
 
I don't recall my 3950x or 5950x having any stutters.

Not to say I've never experienced stutters though, but only once - it one day after a system reboot all the RGB lights defaulted to rainbow lightshow and I was too lazy to fix it so I left it for a while and game'd and what I found was that every single time the RGB color switched the game would have a microstutter, without fail everytime the fans, ram, gpu etc switched color the game would have a single stutter. As soon as I changed the RGB settings to only show a solid color the stutters were gone for good.

So for people who have stutters, check your background apps - all these background app like RGB light control, GPU filters, sensor recorders, streaming, shadowplay etc - all this crap can cause stutters
 
Not experienced any stutters in games on my 3950X outside of ones that have known performance issues regardless of platform (Destiny 2 on RDNA2 GPU's for example....).
 
Grim5 said:
So for people who have stutters, check your background apps - all these background app like RGB light control, GPU filters, sensor recorders, streaming, shadowplay etc - all this crap can cause stutters
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Some versions of Creative software and Samsung Magician (don't think the latest version does) will also cause stutters in games and/or impacted performance. Sadly a lot of this software is written with a poor adherence to best practises, etc. and/or just no care about the performance of the rest of the system :(
 
Rroff said:
Some versions of Creative software and Samsung Magician (don't think the latest version does) will also cause stutters in games and/or impacted performance. Sadly a lot of this software is written with a poor adherence to best practises, etc. and/or just no care about the performance of the rest of the system :(
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I've has issues with hardware bundled software in the past, now i don't run any, its all junk.
 
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