does a soundcard increase performace

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not sure if this has been posted before but,

if playing music on the pc whilst playing a game, the game runs slower because there is more strain on the onboard graphics and cpu than if there was a soundcard onboard.

So would games etc run faster with a soundcard?
 
Yes well known as it takes Cycles of the CPU, all Creative cards have 2MB of Memory, and some have 64MB of X RAM (not many Games use yet but good for Music Freaks for large Samples).

There was reviews of this against a Gigabyte Mobo with Onboard showing the FPS Gain on the X-FI.
 
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Well yes, but modern CPU's are so fast that it probabily would have zero affect on frame rates.

Main reason people buy external soundcards is for the quality that they provide. Usually this is to go with half decent speakers to get the most out of them.

If you are looking to increase your frames, go for the usual upgrades. ;)
 
never bought a sound card and have always used onboard... i seriously doubt theres any difference in the sound quality.

Especially for Logitech 2.1 analog speakers... how much can the sound quality improve?

I personally think people say the sound quality is better to make themselves feel better about wasting so much money on a really expensive card. The only reason i can think of buying a sound card is to increase FPS in games when you only have a 1core processor. If you have a dual core processor and you play a game with music, i can imagine the sound is used on the 2nd core anyway.
 
Well yes, but modern CPU's are so fast that it probabily would have zero affect on frame rates.

Main reason people buy external soundcards is for the quality that they provide. Usually this is to go with half decent speakers to get the most out of them.

If you are looking to increase your frames, go for the usual upgrades. ;)

The review was last year on Modern CPU's/RIG's lol, it helps FPS thats a fact.
 
never bought a sound card and have always used onboard... i seriously doubt theres any difference in the sound quality.

Especially for Logitech 2.1 analog speakers... how much can the sound quality improve?

I personally think people say the sound quality is better to make themselves feel better about wasting so much money on a really expensive card. The only reason i can think of buying a sound card is to increase FPS in games when you only have a 1core processor. If you have a dual core processor and you play a game with music, i can imagine the sound is used on the 2nd core anyway.

Sound from a good Dedicated Card is far superiour to any Onboard.

Onboard is way better than years ago though so a Dedicated Card is not for all.

This will blow away your set up and only 2 speakers.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SC-043-CL&groupid=701&catid=11&subcat=

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SP-096-CL&groupid=702&catid=22&subcat=
 
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i can imagine it would blow my setup away. the speakers are crazily expensive :s

I bet the money you invest in buying expensive speakers is a better than putting money into an expensive sound card... what can a sound card do with speakers that on board fails to do with them? They're both doing the exact same thing with the hardware they're limited to. Does a sound card vibrate those drum things inside your speaker 0.0000004% faster?

Be good if computer shops had 2 different setups to compare the difference between them both... but you know it'd be biased to make you buy the more expensive product. Say one of them puts the sound higher and adjust the bass/treble on the speakers to make them sound better
 
No really, I already told a peep today in another thread that basically you need Good Speakers to get the best out a Good Soundcard, its a waste to have 1 without the other m8.

I dont think you understand sound, its not that the X-FI is making the Speakers Cones move faster lol.

The parts have better quality, the CAP's, DAC's, Omp-Amp's etc all create better sound.

The same as 2 Car Stereos can sound totally different, like a Kenwood v a Goodmans :)
 
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there are gains to be had from better soundcards but money is better spent on the amp and speakers. these days there isnt as much in it as there used to be going from onboard to a top end sound card. if we're talking about digital outputs, then there next to nothing in it at all. however there is a difference, but people seem to place their priorities in the wrong place - ie: buying £100 sound cards when their pc speakers cost little more than that. you should be spending a grand on an amp and speaker if your buying a £100 sound card.

as for frame rates, well. there are situations where an x-fi is a good deal faster. however, those situations are normally few and far between. normally, there are other bottlenecks in place that pretty much render the difference in spu processing power null and void. an x-fi wont make bioshock run 20fps faster on my pc when im playing at 1920x1200 8xcsaa.

but you know it'd be biased to make you buy the more expensive product

what's biased is saying they make no difference when you have no experience of them. although you are right, nobody is going to realize the potential of a decent soundcard when using cheap speakers like those creatives.
 
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really good speakers are wasted on a poor sound array, and on board sound is the best example of this. End of story. Anyone who says different does not know what they are talking about, and is talking moocow poo. Sure, there isn't the difference there used to be between o/b and a dedicated card, but comparing the two used to be like comparing a kick in the sensitives to a lotto jackpot win. The difference is less pronounced these days but is still quite a gap, even with digital outputs.

Poor sound arrays will create noise (unwanted interference) within their outputs, will give less perfect waveform outputs, will be able to provide less power on the outputs, and will distort more and easier, especially at high volume. They may also be more sensitive to outside electrical interference. Even poor quality cables can have an immense effect on the end product. The benchmark of any sound system is not how loud it will go, but how much of the sound being produced is still there at the lowest audible volume - cheap, poor stuff will lose certain parts of the sound at low volumes. On board sound, is usually a step below the cheapest of soundcards in quality, and you WILL hear the difference on a decent amp/speakers unless you're hearing impaired.

On board sound doesn't take much CPU power when used with modern CPU's but the drain is there. Also they use some memory, memory bandwidth, and processor bus bandwidth. the last two are the most damaging to performance in modern rigs, being how powerful the processors are, and the amount of memory we have these days. multiple core processors still only have a limited amount of bandwidth to deal with, and can use it all up much easier than single core items. Better to have sound load on the PCI bus rather than the CPU data bus. And dont forget, the sounds in games these days are far more complex, numerous, and precise than they used to be. I can remember, a long time ago, my PC would not play music whilst doing anything else(it was fine just doing that), through on board sound, the sound ticked and popped and hitched all the time - plugging in an earlyish soundblaster card (we're talking mid 1990s) fixed this, i could browse the web, chat on a messenger and download the odd thing. Later, in the SETI1 days, running a CMI 8738 card which was basically an on board setup adapted to be a plug in item, worked exactly the same as on board, used to make ~5-8% difference to the crunch time over the other card i had, a Soundblaster128.

The same applies for on board/cheap network cards - they use the processor to decode packets and this will use some of your vital power for things other than games.

Spending loads of money on a decent soundcard if you're going to use poor amp/speaker setups is just as pointless as using decent speakers with on board sound. but if you use a half decent soundcard and some good speakers, you will notice the difference both in gaming performance and sound quality. On board sound is designed for people who use speakers that cost £8.99 and only want to hear the random beeps from MSN and windows startup tunes, with maybe the odd voice chat here and there.

EDIT: if you want to try this without spending too much cash, look around for a cheap Soundblaster Live! 5.1 or Audigy soundcard. Then purchase a set of half decent, say £50-75ish amplified speakers. Then listen to a wide variety of sources (games, music of different genres preferably direct from cd, etc) through it. OR a cheaper solution, if you have a decent stereo within wiring distance, connect the soundcard up to that. most stereos have a 2xRCA Auxillary input - 3.5mm to 2xRCA cables can be bought from any decent electrical retailer.
 
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Hi sorry to butt in here but it sounds (no pun intended lol) like a good place to ask a quick question, been guilty of using on-board sound for a while now mainly as a space saver but just done a upgrade and thinking about getting the below card

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SC-043-CL&groupid=701&catid=11&subcat=

Now i already have a set of creative inspire 5500 5.1 speakers which have been used with the on-board sound, will they be ok for the above card or is it time to upgrade them as well? cheers
 
What about if you are only using the optical out for DTS/Dolby 5.1 passthrough, is this going to be any different from onboard sound to a dedicated card, I very much doubt there would be a huge difference.
 
Skree I'm told that the difference in sound quality for music between current realtek onboard sound, and audigy's is unnoticable hence why I havn't bothered to upgrade to a sound card.

and I have Acoustic Energy Aego M's, and I'm happy with the gaming sound, but if a sound card will make my music sound better, what would you recomend?

cheers.
 
Thats why we use X-FI's not old Audigys :p

Instead of being told, why not try for yourself ?.

I have said it before above more than once, you need both the Good SoundCard + Good Speakers, 1 without the other is kinda of pointless.

1 of the best Speaker Kits (if not the best) in the Store is only 2 Speakers, you can guess which ones.
 
Thats why we use X-FI's not old Audigys :p

Instead of being told, why not try for yourself ?.

I have said it before above more than once, you need both the Good SoundCard + Good Speakers, 1 without the other is kinda of pointless.

1 of the best Speaker Kits (if not the best) in the Store is only 2 Speakers, you can guess which ones.

my aego m's are better value for money as I got them for £70.

and why would i buy a £50 sound card not knowing what difference it'd make? were not all made of money.
 
" You pay your money, you take your chance" as it goes.

You read, read and read reviews etc, ideally you get to hear one if possible and then decide to buy, if online you can return for no real reason under the DSA.
 
It depends a lot on your source material also, pointless having a good sound system if you're listening to lossy mp3s.

A properly spec'd headphone setup will blow away any pc speaker setup in terms of audio quality, but if you take your music seriously and use lossless files you wouldn't want to spend less than £100 on each component headphones/soundcard or dac and possibly a dedicated headphone amp. X-Fi can't compete with audiophile products from M-Audio & E-Mu.
 
Its a PC not a £1000 Hi-Fi, and Speakers are better than headphones apart from helping to make you deaf.

I remember many peeps were blown away with the sound on my SoundBlaster Live Player 5.1 (ones who have £1000+ Hi-Fi's inc myself) back in 2001 with 5.1 Cambridge Soundworks Speakers, I aint had as good sound since then TBH.

MP3 can sound fine, most will not know the difference from 192k MP3 to a CD playing.

BTW none of that inc this post is topic, the topic has been answered, be it 1FPS or 5FPS it gains perfomance having a dedicated Soundcard with its own Processor and Memory esp X-FI's
 
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