does God exist in space?

[Tefal]

So let me just get this straight, if you believe in God then what about the other thousands of possible claims of

No i never said i believe.

I say i have no idea if god exists or not, i say atm it's impossible for me to know if he exists or not.

I'm happy to admit i don't know if god exists or not, and also to admit currently i see no way of ever knowing one way or another.

When you start claiming something is unprovable and exists, then you need to start defending all of the other possible millions of claims otherwise you are a major hypocrite.

Except i and no one else ever did that I said I do not know if it exists, and i see no evidence that prove it does not exist and no evidence that it does exist, so why would i make a guess and say that is certain?

Would be rather foolish.


You are the one saying that god does not exist for certain, so it's up to you to prove that.

Just as if i said you do not exist it would be up to me to design a test and prove it not for you to prove your existence.

Any case of this argument is a base rate fallacy

Yes your argument is a strawman fallacy (to sound like dolph) as you're arguing against a argument and position i never stated.

 

[taz488]

i still cant fully comprehend why people quote from the worst source of all time, the bible.

 

[Tefal]

i still cant fully comprehend why people quote from the worst source of all time, the bible.

Because people incapable of separating the concept of deities and religion.

 

[Glaucus]

And it's a very interesting topic, regardless of your own belifes.

 

[Gelly54]

i believe!

 

[DisrupTor75]

Did you create the universe, the stars, the galaxies or were you yourself created? I would argue it is 'rubbish' to suggest everything just appeared itself from nothing.

I would argue that is exactly what your religion is insisting happened, by magic!

At the very least science offers an explanation other than "god did it" and even backs it up with evidence. Something the religious zealots cannot provide.

 

[Tefal]

And it's a very interesting topic, regardless of your own belifes.

one that i find interesting is the "god created man in his own image" part.

Many see it as purely physical form but personally (if i believed in it) i'd see it more as gods knack for creation and invention.

which is why i never get why extremist religious groups are against Genetic engineering etc, as I'd say that is exactly what someone created in the image of the creator would do.

 

[Yas786]

Why even bother asking a question like this? It's obviously just going to disintegrate into "Does God exist" within about 3 posts, and then we have a dozen pages of NO U to contend with.

wrong,you have been brain washed fella.

Rubbish...

Point proven vonhelmet methinks...people here just cant accept anothers opinion...i mean is it such a big deal if someone believes that there is a God??...of course as of yet no one can prove Gods existance but neither can anyone prove that God doesnt exist....so its a bit of an oxymoron to ask that question in my humble opinion.

Spook187 its all fine you saying rubbish, brainwashed etc etc but why dont you make some valid points as to why you think that??....no point in saying idiotic things like that if you cant back it up or are you just a troll that thinks hes quite smart...quite clearly you arent if thats the best you can come up with.

 

[RomanNose]

No i never said i believe.

I say i have no idea if god exists or not, i say atm it's impossible for me to know if he exists or not.

I'm happy to admit i don't know if god exists or not, and also to admit currently i see no way of ever knowing one way or another.





Except i and no one else ever did that I said I do not know if it exists, and i see no evidence that prove it does not exist and no evidence that it does exist, so why would i make a guess and say that is certain?

Would be rather foolish.


You are the one saying that god does not exist for certain, so it's up to you to prove that.

Just as if i said you do not exist it would be up to me to design a test and prove it not for you to prove your existence.




Yes your argument is a strawman fallacy (to sound like dolph) as you're arguing against a argument and position i never stated.

Yes I did say that god does not exist for certain, and forgive me for my misreading but I did not specifically say you anyway.
"In some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence." - Introduction to Logic, Copi, 1953, Page 95

 

[Tombstone]

one that i find interesting is the "god created man in his own image" part.

Many see it as purely physical form but personally (if i believed in it) i'd see it more as gods knack for creation and invention.

which is why i never get why extremist religious groups are against Genetic engineering etc, as I'd say that is exactly what someone created in the image of the creator would do.

If it was in the physical form, going to have a hell of a lot of explaining to all the millions of extra terrestrial lifeforms why he made us look like him and not them

 

[DisrupTor75]

people here just cant accept anothers opinion...i mean is it such a big deal if someone believes that there is a God??

I don't think the issue is of it being a big deal of someone believing a certain thing. The problem (imo) stems from religious peoples / institutions statements that they know how everything was created, this was done by a magical being that conveniently no one can see but has powers of omnipotence & omnipresence and demands to be worshiped on pain of eternal torture.

Then of course theres every other culture's god. be it jews, muslims, greeks, romans, whatever. there have been thousands of these gods and not one shred of evidence for a single one.

To quote Carl Sagan, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

So, where is it???

 

[Spook187]

Did you create the universe, the stars, the galaxies or were you yourself created? I would argue it is 'rubbish' to suggest everything just appeared itself from nothing.

Then why didnt god create a Habitable zones for every solar system then,we do know there a dead solar systems than cannot habour life as they have no Habitable zones in them,the universe is just chemistry on roids with flaws in it,its flaws that made us what we are today,not god,bible bashers need to wake up and stop wearing blinkers,science is proving you wrong...

 

[Ergates]

The burden of proof lies with the person making the extraordinary claim.

Christians (and other theists) claim that "the entire universe was magicked into existance by an invisible wizard" is a pretty extraordinary claim therefore the burden of proof lies with them.

The logical baseline should be to not accept an extraordinary claim unless it is backed up by a significant amount of proof (the more extraordinary the claim the more proof needed). It is not logical to just accept any claim just because you can't irrefutably disprove it.

Or to put it another way: I don't have to provide any proof that god does not exist any more than I have to provide proof that Mystic Meg isn't psychic and there aren't faries at the bottom of my garden.

 

[Tefal]

Yes I did say that god does not exist for certain,

Prove it.

You have made an assertion so it's up to you to prove it not for anyone else to disprove it.

"In some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence." - Introduction to Logic, Copi, 1953, Page 95

We are as yet unqualified to to investigate though, we cannot devise any test, heck we cannot even define god (ignostisism) let alone begin to devise a test to prove or disprove it. so that statement does not apply in this context.

 

[trigger-happy]

meh quran says big bang, I'm happy with it.

 

[Tefal]

If it was in the physical form, going to have a hell of a lot of explaining to all the millions of extra terrestrial lifeforms why he made us look like him and not them

How do you know they don't all look the same as us?

 

[Tombstone]

How do you know they don't all look the same as us?

Saw it in the movies

 

[DisrupTor75]

Then why didnt god create a Habitable zone for every solar system then,we do know there a dead solar systems than cannot habour life as they have no Habitable zones in them,the universe is just chemistry on roids with flaws in it,its flaws that made us what we are today,not god,bible bashers need to wake up and stop wearing blinkers,science is proving you wrong...

lmao that's just hillarious. There's a habitable zone near my gas fire, i put my hand too close its too hot, too far away and i dont recieve the desired heat, but get it just right and i can warm my hands nicely.

Step away from the bong!

summs it up nicely.

 

[Spook187]

lmao that's just hillarious. There's a habitable zone near my gas fire, i put my hand too close its too hot, too far away and i dont recieve the desired heat, but get it just right and i can warm my hands nicely.



summs it up nicely.

How is it hillarious.

 

[SourChipmunk]

Such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn

Now that's something that actually makes sense!

"Invisible Pink Unicorns are beings of great spiritual power. We know this because they are capable of being invisible and pink at the same time. Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them."

I like it.