does God exist in space?

Metalface Mark · 2 Mar 2011 at 11:11

Tombstone said:
See if it was me, I wouldnt accept that excuse. I dont accept it when my prime minister tells me that he will deal with the finances of the country in his own time, nor do I accept it when my mechanic tells me he will deal with my car problem in his own time, so I'm not believing someone else who says they will deal with something in their own time either

You dont accept the excuse you would get the finger with the lightning.

[FnG]magnolia · 2 Mar 2011 at 11:12

vonhelmet said:
Which totally ignores the fact the Bible says God will deal with evil in his own time.

Don't we call that a cop out?

"But yeah, he's super awesome but for this? Yeah, he's just going to chill a bit, you know? Evil schmeevil, no rush."

The Dread Pirate · 2 Mar 2011 at 11:15

"When you do things right people won't be sure you've done anything at all."

Participant · 2 Mar 2011 at 11:18

vonhelmet said:
Which totally ignores the fact the Bible says God will deal with evil in his own time.

It's a quote. It doesn't have time to confront every stupid thing the bible says.

Besides, you can file that under 'Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent'.

Tombstone · 2 Mar 2011 at 11:24

Metalface Mark said:
You dont accept the excuse you would get the finger with the lightning.

Hehe, havent had a finger with the lightning yet

(I'd welcome it though, a giant celestial finger appearing and lightning me would make me an instant believer

)

Vonhelmet · 2 Mar 2011 at 11:27

Robbie G said:
It's a quote. It doesn't have time to confront every stupid thing the bible says.

Besides, you can file that under 'Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent'.

The Bible also makes it clear that God is pretty much not bound by time, so the question of "when" he deals with something could be said to be irrelevant on his scale.

Participant · 2 Mar 2011 at 11:38

Not being bound by time makes it even worse. Not only is he malevolent enough to not bother curing evil when he is perfectly able, he also cannot use a lack of time as an excuse.

DisrupTor75 · 2 Mar 2011 at 11:38

vonhelmet said:
The Bible also makes it clear that God is pretty much not bound by time, so the question of "when" he deals with something could be said to be irrelevant on his scale.

[FnG]magnolia;18581056 said:
Don't we call that a cop out?

^^^ as he said, It's a cop out.

I think the only thing we can all be certain of is death.

RDM · 2 Mar 2011 at 11:39

Metalface Mark said:
There are actually reasonable arguments for the earth being less than ten thousand years old that creationists will use. Enough certainly that creationists can argue the toss with the scientists view.

What reasonable arguments would they be?

RDM · 2 Mar 2011 at 11:40

vonhelmet said:
The Bible also makes it clear that God is pretty much not bound by time, so the question of "when" he deals with something could be said to be irrelevant on his scale.

Doesn't really get past the fact that God created evil in the first place.

Metalface Mark · 2 Mar 2011 at 11:44

Tombstone said:
Hehe, havent had a finger with the lightning yet

(I'd welcome it though, a giant celestial finger appearing and lightning me would make me an instant believer )

I think the late great George Carlin said it best at a live concert.

"All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. None, not one, no God, never was. In fact, I'm gonna put it this way. If there is a God, may he strike this audience dead! See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened? Everybody's okay? All right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a little bit. If there is a God, may he strike me dead. See? Nothing happened, oh, wait, I've got a little cramp in my leg. And my balls hurt. Plus, I'm blind. I'm blind, oh, now I'm okay again"

Metalface Mark · 2 Mar 2011 at 11:45

RDM said:
What reasonable arguments would they be?

http://creationwiki.org/The_earth_is_6000-10000_years_old_(Talk.Origins)

Solnyshko · 2 Mar 2011 at 12:56

Speculation over...

NEWS
NASA Completes 52-Year Mission To Find, Kill God
FEBRUARY 23, 2011 | ISSUE 47•08

...end of story, end of thread

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RobotXander · 2 Mar 2011 at 13:22

vonhelmet said:
WOOWOO GENERALISATION!

Yep, christians suck

tibbsey · 2 Mar 2011 at 13:30

Metalface Mark said:
http://creationwiki.org/The_earth_is_6000-10000_years_old_(Talk.Origins)

I literally have no idea where to begin with that. :confused:

Vonhelmet · 2 Mar 2011 at 13:44

RobotXander said:
Yep, christians suck

WOOWOO GENERALISATION.

Vonhelmet · 2 Mar 2011 at 13:45

RDM said:
Doesn't really get past the fact that God created evil in the first place.

He created something with the capability to do evil. That's as much as I will concede to you.

Glaucus · 2 Mar 2011 at 13:57

Robbie G said:
Not only is he malevolent enough to not bother curing evil .

It's a Paradox

He is all powerful, but because of free will unable to intervene.
You either have evil and free will(with possibility of evil depending on how we react), or no evil and no free will.

e36Adz · 2 Mar 2011 at 14:53

RDM said:
Doesn't really get past the fact that God created evil in the first place.

Isn't evil the absence of good though, just like 'darkness' is the absence of light. Evil can be eliminated by doing good, and good is defined by God not by our own lusts and desires.

Participant · 2 Mar 2011 at 15:33

AcidHell2 said:
It's a Paradox

He is all powerful, but because of free will unable to intervene.
You either have evil and free will(with possibility of evil depending on how we react), or no evil and no free will.

It should be possible to reduce evil whilst retaining free will, for an omnipotent god. Just make evil heavily punishable, in the same way that the Bible states that non-believers will burn in hell:

Revelation 21:8 "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

So the unbelieving get free will but punished for that free will, as per Adam and Eve. Why not give the evil free will to be evil, but punish them heavily in their actual lives rather than waiting until after they're dead and sending them to hell? It would seem more sensible to punish them while they're causing misery, rather than waiting until after death. God already proved he could do that with Adam and Eve.