Doesn’t actually appear to be lack of memory

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was just playing ghost recon after it finally downloaded and put it on ultra setting which even at fullscreen 1366x768 it just pushed it over the 4gb vram(that bar in setting) and as you expect it was stuttering a bit when i actually got to control my character and drive a car, i even managed about 5 minutes of recording from the menu through the appearance then selecting what i wanted to play, during the cinematic bit right up to when it crashed it was saying my memory was low and to close background stuff, ive only got 8gb ram, but did have chrome and folders open and it shut down dead like the other day, disconnected drives and any cables plugged in and let it settle for the moment and try again.

when i managed to get it starting last time i had errors in the event viewer, think something about the kernel.
 
Could be several things. If you're low on RAM it'll be paging to the HDD like mad.
This could put extra strain on the system, revealing a power issue.
There could be a bug in windows you're exposing by doing lots of paging.
You might have a bad bit on your disk so when memory pages back in its corrupt.
You might have buggy drivers that aren't handling low memory correctly.

The event viewer thing - did it say something about a memory dump - it does that when windows crashes. You can run stuff to interpret what broke, buts its a lot of hassle. Look to see if you have red error events that say disk on them - you get those when your disk has bad blocks.
Chrome is a massive memory hog when you have lots of tabs open. It'd be worth closing it when playing games if getting more memory isn't an option.
 
mrbazmondo said:
Could be several things. If you're low on RAM it'll be paging to the HDD like mad.
This could put extra strain on the system, revealing a power issue.
There could be a bug in windows you're exposing by doing lots of paging.
You might have a bad bit on your disk so when memory pages back in its corrupt.
You might have buggy drivers that aren't handling low memory correctly.

The event viewer thing - did it say something about a memory dump - it does that when windows crashes. You can run stuff to interpret what broke, buts its a lot of hassle. Look to see if you have red error events that say disk on them - you get those when your disk has bad blocks.
Chrome is a massive memory hog when you have lots of tabs open. It'd be worth closing it when playing games if getting more memory isn't an option.
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Thanks for reply.

The last shut down there was the odd red cross against the odd system things in even viewer, but more to do with the Kernal, I don’t ever use that application so wouldn’t know what everything means with an error, but that day I was downloading and playing a bit of Anno 2205, nothing about memory issues came up on my screen.

After leaving me computer unplugged from all last night I played several games of rb6s on Xbox, that’s how long I left it which probably was a tad longer than I needed to, but it did fire up, however it was 2am, so I haven’t touched it since, but I wasn’t doing anything out the ordinary, was the only game I played yesterday. But computer was on majority of the day, but the day before I played the division on ultra and anno 2205 and edited videos with no memory issue warnings what so ever and I had chrome and a few tabs open, yesterday I mainly browsed, watched YouTube and rearrange my folder locations across my hard drives as well as install ghost recon which took a fair while.


The low ram warning box Appeared and stayed in the top right corner shortly after making my character and loading the campaign, basically it popped up during or just as the cinematic bit started, as I mentioned, as soon as I loaded the game before even character creation, I put the settings on ultra which the memory bar was red as it was over 80 more than my card has, but never played this on pc I don’t know the impact on system ram which I only have 8gb as that’s the max.
 
just connected and turned my computer on and got up event viewer.

for last night:

3 errors of DistributedCOM(had this minutes ago also)
1 error of WLan-AutoConfig
had a windows update error just after 6pm
1 error of eventlog
1 critical error of Kernel-Power(00:53, so about right for the shutdown)

i have noticed at times over the last few days ive had warnings of DNS Client Events and i get the odd warning for Time-Service


it seems something effects the kernel as my first shutdown was a result of that, i havent seen anything in the way of 'system ram' errors, i dont normally ever play games with chrome closed, mean i dont always have more than 3 tabs open at a time unless im doing something or its on say my really slow laptop, ive never had memory issues before.

i will load recon back up in a moment with chrome closed and test it again on the same setting, if i get the error of ram i will stop and lower the settings.
 
just an update:

no browser open or downloading on ultra i got a little furter in gaming before the ram warning, so i stopped, quit game and with task manager open it was reading 6gb ram used and i was wrong above, i wasnt over 80, it was either 4.6gb or 4.3gb which is the reason for the ram warning, im used to having 16gb ram and never using even half of it.

i did a few videos of each setting, obviously very high down to low used under 3gb vram, so i was able to play much longer and do some missions, but must admit other than low setting looking poor, there was still the odd stutter and the frame count wasnt big improvements either, 45-48 at the very highest in low and all settings bar ultra went from 30-45fps even if im walking around in the open, it went to 45 while in an helicopter.

so i think its probably safe to say the system couldnt cope with the workload pushing the memory, so regardless if i leave chrome or whatever open, for the likes of recon, im better off with high or ultra high settings.
 
ram instability can easily cause hard shutdowns like that, has with me!

shouldnt be shutting down if you just run out though, also you seem to be talking about vram and ram, which seems to be the issue? normally when you run out of vram the game stutters quite noticeably.
 
it is the system ram im more talking about, im uploading a video of my testings, but for ultra that vram bar does go read and show 4.3-4.6gb, but there it seem to vary each time i load up the game from launcher and during the first 5 minutes i recorded, a pop up in the top right corner said about memory low, try closing background apps or something, yesterday i had chrome and lots of things open, today i had nothing bar whatever runs in background normally and the pop up shown which is how i managed 5 minutes before risking another shut down.

when i closed the game, task manager was showing 6gb used, it was showing like 2.8-3gb usage before launching the game, so basically 2.5-3gb for general and when i go in to display adapter i have 8.1gb total video memory, so thats 4gb vram plus 4gb from system which means that extra 300-700mb taken to run ultra takes a big impact as my system only supports 8gb, admittingly i do have intel graphics running still for if i need to take the gpu out.

my video shows a small amount of gameplay through all Presets and only under ultra i can actually play properly and complete missions as it uses under 3gb vram, still stutters and the fps range is meh.


mean the first shut down was during Anno 2205 and that wont use anywhere near recon even on highest setting, the critical error came from 'kernel power' , but i dont know anymore details on that, so it could be memory issue or other? been running for a few hours now and played some recon and edited couple videos as well as watch youtube and its still running fine, dont know if this is a sign i should get rid of 1156 socket lol
 
I don't think those errors are anything to be concerned about. I'd be looking for ones about kernel, memory or disk.
Running out of vram is like a higher level of running out of ram. Your card will be paging memory off the card to system ram and back to the card again, which can cause a massive performance hit causing stuttering.
 
Do you have empty slots so you can add more RAM? Do you have another machine you can borrow RAM from to test it, yours or family/friends? If so you could test for stability with just their RAM, and with both yours and theirs.
 
its an old itx board so only 2 dim slots and the only other memory i have access to is 1333mhz ddr3 patriot ram from my am1 system. ive never had shutdowns for ram related or what i seem to be experience before, so i dont know what im doing or done differently all a sudden.

since my last system to have 16gb which was like a year ago i have only ever played 1 game which was anno 2205 and that was a few months ago, think that was with an haswell i3 based thincentre e73 sff of which i had 8gb ram and my 2gb gt 610, maybe i played on a 1155 i3 system, i cant remember, but neither had more than 8gb installed and i wasnt gaming like ive started to, so wasnt much of a concern.
 
mean im not saying my psu is gods gift or anything, but i have had this brand new for months without any issues, so i wouldnt think it would suddenly start playing up? its been passed on through different computers and boxed up over that time, ive only got a 300w 80 bronze fsp which has 200w on the 12v, dont want to risk damaging the rest of the system for a trial, but i have seen a coolermaster silent pro gold 450w for £20 which might be worth a punt.
 
this is what seems to be set? i very rarely ever touch these options, so this is default from installation

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I'd manually set it to 16gb min, 16gb max on whichever drive you wish and see if that stops it.

(Long story short even if you don't run out of ram, windows still needs virtual memory for other things like memory mapped files)
 
Just a little update.

Maybe it is power that’s the issue and I don’t mean psu, I have the intel setup in the smaller case running off the 300w psu I fitted, but it had been on/off through the night from ‘sleep’ Although I managed to leave it on the windows 10 setup screens till this morning(wouldn’t boot so had to reinstall windows) and because I’ve I’ve been doing other stuff, the sleep mode kicked in during windows updates, so I’ve set that to 5 hours..

However the computer has shut down dead again hence me updating and all I did was install avg and do a scan, I installed a few things like ccleaner, google, speccy, cpuz, so nothing that would give issues which would lead me to believe it’s something to do with the motherboard?

I loaded default settings in the bios the moment I turned it on last night and the hard drive I have in this is a used seagate 500gb I purchased purposely for when my AM1 was installed and all its served is windows install plus the odd programs.

Oh and I installed the 4gb patriot memory with this and it’s only using the intel graphics
 
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