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Whats the dealy with double yellow lines and unloading? I've been had twice this week and was wondering if I had grounds to contest one due to unloading things to a client. I stopped outside the building on double yellows because there were no parking spaces available nearby, I was in there under 10mins.. Came out and had a ticket.

Do I have grounds to contest?
 
Were there any marks on the kerb?

If it was just yellow lines, then you are allowed to load or unload. When you say "came out" does that mean you locked the car up and went inside and left it, or were you unloading for all 10 mins?
 
I locked the car, went in to the sixth floor, dropped it off and came out..

Not too sure on the marks on the curb, might drive by tomorrow and have a look.. What am I looking for?
 
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http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/signs09.htm

The fact you left your car and went up inside the building makes it a bit hazy. Might be worth a letter of protest though, depends how the person deciding defines loading I suppose, the highway code isn't really specific.
 
Had similar recently. The bit in wallsend over from where i work used to be 1 hour max, and obviosly the signage was changed recently without us noticing. Went out to a guy writing a ticket out saying it now a 2 minute loading time only. He let me off, but it would be nice of them to use more than one sign the size of half a sheet of A4 paper for the length of about 10 cars.

He told me its 2 minutes loading time, but i always thought it was 10 minutes?
 
Write a nice friendly letter stating that you were unloading to the sixth floor at the time, and attach a photocopy of the delivery note or other paperwork that can prove what you were doing. Usually does the trick :)
 
[TW]Fox said:
You cease to become loading/unloading as per the definition of the law once you leave the vehicle unattended.
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True.

I've found a friendly glare at the traffic warden along the lines of "I'm going to rip your head off if you even think of it" works wonders. ;) :D

I'm sure wardens are told to steer clear of unloading truckers - In all my years of delivering around London, I've just used my free parking button (Hazzard warning lights) and never (yet!) had a problem or ticket. :p

I've been booked 5 times in Scunthorpe though! :confused:
 
R124/LA420 said:
True.

I've found a friendly glare at the traffic warden along the lines of "I'm going to rip your head off if you even think of it" works wonders. ;) :D

I'm sure wardens are told to steer clear of unloading truckers - In all my years of delivering around London, I've just used my free parking button (Hazzard warning lights) and never (yet!) had a problem or ticket. :p

I've been booked 5 times in Scunthorpe though! :confused:
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That is the difference between a truck, whose main purpose is transporting and delivering, and a car where the purpose is not that obvious to a lowly traffic warden.
 
Typically (certainly in Edinburgh) it is fine providing you return to your vehicle at least every 5 minutes. Anything over that and you get a ticket.
 
Street said:
Whats the dealy with double yellow lines and unloading? I've been had twice this week and was wondering if I had grounds to contest one due to unloading things to a client. I stopped outside the building on double yellows because there were no parking spaces available nearby, I was in there under 10mins.. Came out and had a ticket.

Do I have grounds to contest?
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no

on Double Yellow lines you are NOT allowed to park there at all

only single ones at certain times or no lines at all
 
ShiWarrior said:
no

on Double Yellow lines you are NOT allowed to park there at all

only single ones at certain times or no lines at all
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I don't really agree. You are entitled to load and unload items. The whole reason for having the double yellow lines is so that normal vehicles don't ever park there which enables delivery drivers to park up for loading and not block the road. Normally 5 minutes is considered an adequate amount of time to load, but if he had to carry it all the way the 6th floor he has grounds for an appeal.

What is loading?
Loading and unloading is when heavy or bulky goods are taken to or from a vehicle stopped temporarily on a road. Loading also includes delivering or collecting commercial goods, pre-ordered goods and dropping off tools for builders. Parking attendants will issue a ticket if they do not observe any activity for five minutes.

What is not considered loading?
You are not loading if, for example, you are stopping at a cash machine, buying a morning newspaper or picking up a roll at the bakery.

When can I load?
You may load or unload on roads without yellow or red lines at any time, as long as you are not obstructing traffic, footways or driveways. You may also load or unload:
on red lines outwith the prohibited hours (see street signs).
on yellow lines outwith the prohibited hours displayed on street signs or at all times when there are no kerb stripes and signs present.
For example, on Greenways, you may only load or unload on single red lines or in a marked bay outside of restricted times (that is, you can load from 6.30pm to 7.30am Monday to Friday, and 6.30pm to 8.30am Saturday). You may also load or unload in designated loading bays during restricted hours – details of permitted activities and hours for each bay are shown on the adjacent signs. Always check signs for each bay or area before loading or unloading.
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http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/interne...d_unloading#CanIloadfromadisabledparkingspace

Interestingly also;
Is there a grace period before a ticket being issued?
Both parking attendants and traffic wardens give a grace period before issuing a ticket in certain circumstances. If you are parked on a yellow line during a loading prohibition or in a disabled bay or residents’ bay without displaying the correct documents a grace period will not be given.

Grace periods in Edinburgh
Loading private vehicles from yellow lines, 5 minutes.
Loading commercial vehicles from yellow lines, 10 minutes.
Failure to display Pay & Display voucher, 5 minutes.
Expired Pay & Display voucher, 5 minutes.
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So in a van, in Edinburgh, you can leave on a double yellow line an unattended van providing you don't go away for more than 10 minutes. What were you driving?
 
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I was in my Focus.. So I'm probably just best of paying, otherwise they'll hit me for £60. :(

Cheers for the info anyway! :)
 
What is loading?
Loading and unloading is when heavy or bulky goods are taken to or from a vehicle stopped temporarily on a road. Loading also includes delivering or collecting commercial goods, pre-ordered goods and dropping off tools for builders. Parking attendants will issue a ticket if they do not observe any activity for five minutes.

What is not considered loading?
You are not loading if, for example, you are stopping at a cash machine, buying a morning newspaper or picking up a roll at the bakery.

When can I load?
You may load or unload on roads without yellow or red lines at any time, as long as you are not obstructing traffic, footways or driveways. You may also load or unload:
on red lines outwith the prohibited hours (see street signs).
on yellow lines outwith the prohibited hours displayed on street signs or at all times when there are no kerb stripes and signs present.
For example, on Greenways, you may only load or unload on single red lines or in a marked bay outside of restricted times (that is, you can load from 6.30pm to 7.30am Monday to Friday, and 6.30pm to 8.30am Saturday). You may also load or unload in designated loading bays during restricted hours – details of permitted activities and hours for each bay are shown on the adjacent signs. Always check signs for each bay or area before loading or unloading.




http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/interne...dpar kingspace

Interestingly also;

Quote:
Is there a grace period before a ticket being issued?
Both parking attendants and traffic wardens give a grace period before issuing a ticket in certain circumstances. If you are parked on a yellow line during a loading prohibition or in a disabled bay or residents’ bay without displaying the correct documents a grace period will not be given.

Grace periods in Edinburgh
Loading private vehicles from yellow lines, 5 minutes.
Loading commercial vehicles from yellow lines, 10 minutes.
Failure to display Pay & Display voucher, 5 minutes.
Expired Pay & Display voucher, 5 minutes.
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Where does it say "you are allowed to load or unload on Double Yellow lines"? I can not see it, so it basicaly says "you can not park,load or unload on double yellow lines for ANY REASON" or have I missed something here? :)
 
ShiWarrior said:
Where does it say "you are allowed to load or unload on Double Yellow lines"? I can not see it, so it basicaly says "you can not park,load or unload on double yellow lines for ANY REASON" or have I missed something here? :)
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thats the way i read it....

double yellows are double yellows and are there so that no one can park and block the road... if it was safe to park i'm sure the council would make it a parking/loading bay.
 
laissez-faire said:
You are entitled to load and unload items. The whole reason for having the double yellow lines is so that normal vehicles don't ever park there which enables delivery drivers to park up for loading and not block the road.
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No.
 
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