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My 9 year old had a go on drums last year and seemed to have some sort of natural ability so we got him an electric drum kit (Yamaha DTX430) and booked him some lessons. He’s doing very well and got to the point his drum teacher said he really needs an acoustic kit to progress further.

We got him a Pearl Export kit which he loves. Trouble is, it’s deafeningly (literally) loud and we don’t want him to damage his or our hearing. We got a QT silencer set which works really well on the toms but makes next to no difference on the snare. Because of this we have the additional problem of the snare being much louder than the rest throwing it out of balance and still risking hearing damage. So the first question is, how do we quieten the kit down whilst still keeping it in balance and still having it sound good enough so that it doesn’t take the enjoyment out of it? I’ve read about donuts and mesh heads but don’t want to drop the money on them to find out they don’t have the desired effect.

Another question, more for when he wants to take the pads off and play at full volume. He currently plays music through an Amazon echo dot fed into a 30w drum monitor and drums along to it. When he puts his ear defenders on, he struggles to hear the music above the drums. I’m thinking it would be better to bypass the monitor and use suitable headphones. Can anyone recommend headphones that provide similar or better hearing protection than ear defenders?

Finally, is there any platform (app based maybe?) which will play the music without drums so he has to do it all himself? He’s mostly working on songs by bands like Nirvana, Green Day, Megadeth and the like.

You’ve probably realised long before now that I haven’t much of a clue about this. I’m just trying to do the supportive dad thing and need some advice. Thanks.
 
Very helpful, thank you for the advice. I doubt we’ll be buying a new kit any time soon - still feeling the sting of the new acoustic kit!
 
Forgot to update this thread. I got him a set of Remo Silentstroke heads and a set of WHD low volume cymbals. It works great - takes the average/peak noise down from 110/120dB to 92/100dB whilst still keeping the kit balanced and as real feeling as possible. The Remo heads needed a bit of masking tape over them to tighten up the sound as they were very flat as standard. The snare and floor Tom sound great. The rack toms not so much but still much better than the rubberised pads on the normal heads.

He’s progressing well and competently playing some of the more advanced stuff from the Foo Fighters, Killers, Nirvana and Megadeth. I thought I was just seeing him through rose tinted proud dad spectacles but his teacher is pretty impressed. We just need to find him a group to jam with to get some real on the fly exposure but other kids his age just can’t keep up. Not sure what to do about that.
 
The neighbours have been amazing. Some of them would hang around outside his window until he was done then clap for him :D Before we quietened the kit down it was unsustainable. The cymbals in particular could be heard a quarter mile down the road, and I’m sure the neighbours’ good will would have worn off long before now.

We’re happy with the setup now. I just had to return the snare and kick drum heads to Gear4Music under the warranty as they had worn through. They replaced them with no questions asked which was great.
 
He heard this song in the car and decided to give it a go. This is after about 45 minutes since first attempt. Far from perfect but I can't get my head around how he translates it from ear to hands and feet without any notation or tabs or anything like that.

 
Any tips on recording drums? I’m recording him with my iPhone at the moment but the mics tend to home in on the cymbals and drown out the other tones. I have to stand next to the speaker to ensure the background music can be heard on the recording.

He would like to start making some proper videos for a YouTube channel but phone videos won’t cut it. Would a relatively cheap set of drum mics into a mixer recorded on a laptop do the job? I’d like to trial it as cheaply as possible to test the concept before chucking any serious money at it.

Here‘s a few examples:



 
@Scuzi it depends how much you want to spend. You could try a small portable recorder with a twin XY integrated mic, I think there’s a good one made by Zoom, or you could get a full mic setup and spend hundreds!
I don’t mind paying for a half decent setup if it turns out to be a long term thing, which I think it will be, but I’m apprehensive before having a trial run. I’ll see if I can get a hold of a recorder as you suggest to see how it will come together for editing and publication.
 
Very helpful, thank you!

One day I’d like to put the drums in a dedicated room and make him a really nice setup, but space and funds don’t allow. If he’s a good as I hope then maybe he can start to bring in a few quid to help out :D

@SexyGreyFox thank you for the compliment. I passed it on to him and he is chuffed!
 
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I picked this up for £30 from a mate of a mate. He said it should be working okay although one of the XLR channels can be a bit dodgy. At least there should be 5 good ones left. Should be fine to test the concept! Can mics be plugged into the channels with the 1/4” jacks (7-14)?

All I need now is a set of mics, stands and cables. Then the learning curve begins!
 
Yeh I see your point, but I feel that’s tailored more towards live playing, whereas Scuzi’s lad is just recording so I reckon an 8 track interface is a better bet.
I’ve been looking into this and think it might be the next step if this all works out. The idea of software doing most of the tweaking to get a good sound is quite attractive, whereas if I don‘t have this mixer setup properly I’ll be working with a crap product to begin with.
 
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I booked him a 3hr session at the local recording studio. The main aim was to give him something fun to do and build his confidence , but also for both of us to get an idea of what is involved. He absolutely loved it. The producer was pretty blown away by his skill which also gave him a much needed confidence boost! Some of the kids in his school have been saying he is crap at drums and it was getting to him, so this really helped. The producer spent a lot of time showing him how to set up the mics and some of the main features in Logic. Rather than throw money at a home recording setup I think I’ll just buy him some studio time from now on.

Here’s a video I put together of a couple of the songs he did to drumless tracks, using my 1990s era video editing skills…


If you think it’s good, please leave a comment, it’ll help keep him going!
 
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My drummer used to play with Acid Brass (https://faireyband.com/home-acid-brass/) and appeared at Madison Square Gardens & Carnegie Hall, I sent him a link and he said "What a cracking young drummer and he can only get better".

My own personal thoughts, yes I could easily play with him behind me.
Quality, thank you. I’ll tell him in the morning. He will be beaming!
 
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