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DSOG Reports that 3 out of every 4 PC gamers own an Nvidia GPU

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Please, Please Let's not turn this into a little AMD vs. Nvidia Circlejerk

To this end, let's get this out of the way

1. Yes, we know AMD burns hot. Let's all cook our sausages on them
2. AMD can count - 4gb Vram means 4gb vram

See? I'm bored already.

Even as an Nividia Fanboy I finding it a little worrying. Tech tends to be cyclical in nature of course; companies such as matrox, 3dfx etc. have been and gone, and all of them have contributed something to the furthering of 3D rendering and games development. AMD odes the same, as it's apparent that Microsoft have been taking notes where the Mantle API is involved for example.

It worries me however, because if we're all honest Nvidia need to redefine their meaning of the word "affordable". They did to a degree with the 970, but I'm often inclined to think they suggested such a price point to scuttle the AMD ship just that little bit faster.

Let's be pragmatic. There are vendor reps on here, and it's reasonable to assume that there are probably people from within both companies that pay attention to these forums, so I'd like to discuss the matter, and the future of the GPU from a non fanboy standpoint...I encourage everyone to be critical of their preference of company in order to leave something useful in terms of feedback:

- what could AMD and Nvidia learn from each other? How, as an industry should it progress next in order to best benefit the end user?

- What practices do both companies need to change about themselves to better succeed and drive the gaming industry in particular forward?

- What has been the biggest failure of both companies in terms of product over the past...say...Half decade?
 
I'm not a fanboy of any kind i love both companies for the Tech

AMD [Need to Learn]
Communication from the top to their Customers
Power Efficiently in the GPU section so we can have quiet Reference cards
Better finances, weather slightly higher prices? from reports it would have to increase by 33%
Market features closer to real launch [Freesync] not years before
stop talking Bull & actually support Linux properly
[Their OpenGL performance is dire on Unix]


NVIDIA
More Open to other vendors features [freesync]
more Cards that hit nice P/P ratio
Market Features when their Closer to being Ready [Gsync,DSR+SLI]
actaully listen to their social media outlets.


Practises:
AMD - Better finances, Better R&D
Nvidia - actually feel like they care about us.

failures:
AMD - linux gaming support
Nvidia - bit too money grabbing, but maybe R&D is where its going? (doubt it)
 
Work on techs that both can use that doesn't fragment PC gaming, it just causes fanboi nirvana.

Stop ******** on each other for point scoring.

Main one is STOP blocking each others driver development in sponsored titles for release day optimisation.

Amd-biggest fail is setting deadlines in stone and missing it(just give an estimation at most).

Nvidia-biggest fail is going into stealth mode when miss selling a product and leaving their partners to pick up the pieces.
 
Interesting this because all the people I know that are gamers have AMD cards which is due to pricing Nvidia are known as being greedy (main reason consoles dumped them)

I do always notice at gaming events Nvidia is plastered about and agree with all tommybhoy posted
 
edGfaCTor said:
Interesting this because all the people I know that are gamers have AMD cards which is due to pricing Nvidia are known as being greedy (main reason consoles dumped them)

I do always notice at gaming events Nvidia is plastered about and agree with all tommybhoy posted
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The thing is...I switched to Nvidia because of Physx. I'd been playing borderlands 2, and was blown away by (frankly) how much better it looked on my mates PC WITH PhysX...So I was due for an upgrade, and decided to go Team Green.

I'm not disappointed for the most part, but I seriously probably would have considered AMD for the price point had the 970 not been so cheap.
 
smogsy said:
More Open to other vendors features [freesync]
more Cards that hit nice P/P ratio
Market Features when their Closer to being Ready [Gsync,DSR+SLI]
actaully listen to their social media outlets.
Nvidia - actually feel like they care about us.
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I'm sorry but I can't agree with any of that at all, especially the last line.

There are loads of NVidia cards I'd recommend but to even suggest that they care about anything other than their share price (just like any corporation I might add) is just plain incorrect.
 
Rather ironic that people are saying nVidia need a better price to performance ratio.

I don't think they do if every 3 out of 4 gamers really do own one of their cards (I'm rather skeptical about that figure to be honest)

The market dictates the price, if people are willing to pay it, then they aren't going to cut their profits just to be nice. Both sides at the end of the day just want your money and will charge the maximum amount they can so long as they still sell. Unfortunately for AMD they have to charge a lot less it seems to compete.
 
Tute said:
I'm sorry but I can't agree with any of that at all, especially the last line.

There are loads of NVidia cards I'd recommend but to even suggest that they care about anything other than their share price (just like any corporation I might add) is just plain incorrect.
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I think that's a list of things he wishes Nvidia did do not what they do.
 
I'm sorry but I can't agree with any of that at all, especially the last line.

There are loads of NVidia cards I'd recommend but to even suggest that they care about anything other than their share price (just like any corporation I might add) is just plain incorrect.
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they are things nvidia should do not what they do i replied to the OP
" What practices do both companies need to change about themselves to better succeed and drive the gaming industry in particular forward?"
 
The fear of this becoming a single vendor market is the sole reason I've bought AMD the last couple of rounds. Nvidia being the default option is good for no one except nvidia. It's not like it's been a huge sacrifice to be fair.

smogsy said:
...drive the gaming industry in particular forward?"
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The playing field needs to be levelled on the software side. Devs ought to be developing games for DX12/Vulkan/OGL and nvidia/amd ought to be optimising their hardware and drivers however they can within the confines of those hardware independent apis. GameWorks/PhysX are the worst offenders, but amd are not innocent either. Proprietary hardware dependent apis are straight up anti-competitive. Unfortunately this isn't likely to change so long as nvidia and amd keep paying off devs for exclusivity.

Proprietary hardware dependence (GSYNC) is not nearly as egregious as there is no exclusivity. Gamer A is not going to have a degraded experience to Gamer B because he is using amd/freesync instead of nvida/gsync provided the game they are playing panders to neither party.

I fear it's all wishful thinking.
 
Tute said:
I'm sorry but I can't agree with any of that at all, especially the last line.

There are loads of NVidia cards I'd recommend but to even suggest that they care about anything other than their share price (just like any corporation I might add) is just plain incorrect.
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He is saying they should care more about their customers not that they do which is one of my biggest criticisms with nVidia as well - they need to engage with their customer base over issues more.


EDIT: The other "problem" with nVidia is that their customer base will pay so they have no incentive to reduce prices - only when the market won't bare it any more will they bring prices down - unfortunately its a bit like with apple at the moment they have enough customers who will just hand over their wallet in return for nVidia goods they don't need to unduly concern themselves over the competitive side of their pricing.
 
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haha that's quite funny. I own four rigs atm.

Hackintosh - GTX 480
Big orange one - SLI Titan Black.
Pocket rocket - Titan Black
AMD rig - 7990.

Three out of four :D
 
Rroff said:
He is saying they should care more about their customers not that they do which is one of my biggest criticisms with nVidia as well - they need to engage with their customer base over issues more.
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The problem is companies only tend to "Listen" to their customers when things have already gone very badly wrong. Until that happens they get ever more complacent and don't give a stuff about their customers.
 
Kaapstad said:
The problem is companies only tend to "Listen" to their customers when things have already gone very badly wrong. Until that happens they get ever more complacent and don't give a stuff about their customers.
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Yup and Nvidia are the most arrogant bunch of sods I've ever seen go at business.

The 480 was so bad they ended up boxing and selling their own 460s to get out of the hole they were in. And they still haven't learned anything.
 
Seriously the performance difference is not nearly big enough to warrant the market share difference.

The problem is the bad reputation that AMD has that can not be seen in forums like OCUK where people are more tech savvy. I mentioned AMD gpu's once in a big pc gaming community and all I got back was how terrible and full of problems they are.
 
I've had AMD/ATI GPU's for the last 10 years. Mainly because I've never had problems with them, though the price/performance ratio has always been higher than NVIDIA cards.

I believe the main issue is there is a stigma associated with AMD. The common folk believe NVIDIA to simply be the best, premium option. They believe AMD to be second rate, as such they believe the prices reflect the product.

It's some of us enthusiasts who know and admit that AMD cards can be equal or superior to NVIDIA cards. I don't mean right now, since AMD hasn't had a GPU release for a very long time. I mean more when the 290X was released.

I fear that even if the 390x series of GPU's from AMD are top notch, perform well, beat NVIDIA on price, surpass them in performance, the 970/980/980ti will still continue to sell better, simply because of this stigma.

It's all rather unfortunate as this can only end one way - AMD will pullout of the consumer GPU market at some point in the future, leaving us with NVIDIA, where $1000 for the top end card will be the norm.
 
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