Dual carriageway question?

[Six6siX]

People who don't know what merge in turn means really annoy me. Not so much because of their ignorance of the fact, but because of the attitude they have towards you because they don't understand how it works

Highway code:

Road Works: 288
Where lanes are restricted due to road works, merge in turn (see Rule 134)

And as already quoted previously:

Lane discipline: 134
You should follow the signs and road markings and get into the lane as directed. In congested road conditions do not change lanes unnecessarily. Merging in turn is recommended but only if safe and appropriate when vehicles are travelling at a very low speed, e.g. when approaching road works or a road traffic incident. It is not recommended at high speed.

 

[Brookert]

People who don't know what merge in turn means really annoy me. Not so much because of their ignorance of the fact, but because of the attitude they have towards you because they don't understand how it works

Highway code:



And as already quoted previously:

win!

 

[ubersonic]

If you have to stop and wait, or force your way anywhere, you're doing it wrong.

Don't be grumpy at others who know how to merge in turn, just because you can't do it properly.

I don't have that problem, the people who try to cut in instead of merging properly do.

 

[Brookert]

I don't have that problem, the people who try to cut in instead of merging properly do.

define cut in?

 

[growse]

I don't have that problem, the people who try to cut in instead of merging properly do.

You have an issue with people who can't merge in turn properly, and your solution is to stop *everyone* from merging in turn? Wow.

 

[jellybeard999]

I don't have that problem, the people who try to cut in instead of merging properly do.

How are they cutting in? Because you haven't left a gap?

Merge in turn means you need to reasonably allow people to merge and take turns, not just block people off.

Also, the backlog of one queue generally causes issues if there is ie a roundabout, traffic lights etc back down the road which gets blocked off. 2 shorter queues solves this issue.

 

[ubersonic]

define cut in?

Blitz it down to the very end of the lane closure then brake and try to force into the queue instead of zip merging.

 

[Haggisman]

The funniest thing about this is if people like ubersonic actually used both lanes properly then the people he's complaining about wouldn't be able to "zip down" both lanes because there would be a queue in each XD

 

[TehBluebear]

What exactly does the term 'merge in turn' mean? How is it different to merging?

 

[ubersonic]

What exactly does the term 'merge in turn' mean? How is it different to merging?

Taking turn to merge, like doing up a zip on a coat.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Blitz it down to the very end of the lane closure then brake and try to force into the queue instead of zip merging.

But what you're suggesting is that people merge in turn (or zip merge, or give one take one or whatever you want to call it) as soon as the roadworks sign appears, and then leave a mile of empty carriageway up to the point where the roadworks actually start and the lane gets closed. What's the good of that? All that does is generate a longer queue than is necessary in the one lane that people are using. How long should that queue be? One mile? Two miles? Ten miles? At some point that queue is going to start impinging on other entrances/exits from the road.

The thing to think about is that a single lane queue could be reduced in length by a factor of the number of lanes prior to the actual closure of the lane. So if there's two lanes, the queues only need to be half as long as if you only use one lane to queue.

It doesn't necessarily save time to queue side by side compared to in one big line, but it does mean the queue is overall shorter, and that is a good thing.

 

[Overlag]

I love the way ubersonic thinks hes right any everyone that is wrong is a moron... when its HIM that is wrong... lol.

I think one way to stop the Sheep/ubersonic's all moving into lane 1 miles and miles earlier then getting offended when people try to drive properly, would be not to put signs up until a few 100 yards before...

Blitz it down to the very end of the lane closure then brake and try to force into the queue instead of zip merging.

its still an active lane, why not use it?

 

[Freefaller]

The funniest thing about this is if people like ubersonic actually used both lanes properly then the people he's complaining about wouldn't be able to "zip down" both lanes because there would be a queue in each XD

Indeed.

What exactly does the term 'merge in turn' mean? How is it different to merging?

You queue to the merge point in both lanes, and one person merges in, one car passes, one car merges in, one passes etc....

 

[rossk26]

I don't have that problem, the people who try to cut in instead of merging properly do.

How do you differentiate when blocking the empty lane? How do you know the car that is using the open lane is going to either a) "blitz down and leave skid marks nearly causing a baby seal to die before a knee jerk reaction he enters into the correct lane required for bypassing the road works/ incident" or b) sensible road user utilising a piece of road which is absolutely fine to use, and then finding an appropriate slot to MERGE into without causing anyone any harm whatsoever...

Not only are you an idiot for creating a problem by joining an already long que (unnecessary) but you then top it off by deciding no one is allowed to use a stretch of road which is perfectly acceptable to use????

 

[Vonhelmet]

Blitz it down to the very end of the lane closure then brake and try to force into the queue instead of zip merging.

That wouldn't appear as "cutting in" if everyone had the good sense to use all available carriageways. It only appears to be "cutting in" because British people love a good queue and are just desperate to get in one huge longass line.

 

[ubersonic]

But what you're suggesting is that people merge in turn (or zip merge, or give one take one or whatever you want to call it) as soon as the roadworks sign appears

No i'm suggesting they do it at some point between after there and the point where the lane ends, instead of getting to the end of the lane, stopping, merging in causing the traffic in that lane to stop. at the 300-200 yard mark would be good.

I love the way ubersonic thinks hes right any everyone that is wrong is a moron

Oh come on I never said anything remotely like that.

 

[Overlag]

Oh come on I never said anything remotely like that.

err ok?

I still think that the guys who block the lane are better than the **** who blitz it to the end and try and force their way in instead of just merging properly, but meh, people will always have differing opinions that's why their opinions.

Not sure what word stared out but... yeh you think very badly of people driving correctly.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Blitz it down to the very end of the lane closure then brake and try to force into the queue instead of zip merging.

My coat zip only does up next to the zipper.... not 50m further up the zip.

 

[ubersonic]

err ok?

Not sure what word stared out but... yeh you think very badly of people driving correctly.

Its actually idiots dunno why I starred it out, but anyway you kinda failed there as me saying its ok for people to have differing opinions is nothing like me calling everyone with a different opinion a moron. Oh and I don't think bad of people driving correctly I think bad of people driving badly, as it says in my post you quoted :S

My coat zip only does up next to the zipper.... not 50m further up the zip.

Bad analogy, zipping up the coat is akin to starting to merge miles from the lane closure (something im against btw), what people are advocating here would be analogised as moving the zip to the collar then pushing the halves of the jacket together.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Its actually idiots dunno why I starred it out, but anyway you kinda failed there as me saying its ok for people to have differing opinions is nothing like me calling everyone with a different opinion a moron. Oh and I don't think bad of people driving correctly I think bad of people driving badly, as it says in my post you quoted :S

But you're advocating that people merge in turn correctly but your suggested method is not correct