Ducati out of WSB

Shame really. The V Twins have been maxed out and can't compete with the 4's anymore.

Roll on 2012 when they release the new suprbike. Fingers crossed!
 
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Shame really but at the same time they have pretty much dominated the series since it began only to be held back every few years due to being to advanced compared to the V4's.
 
To keep the twins competitive Ducati have to spend far more on modifications than the four cylinder bikes are allowed in order to keepo them competitive. Ducati have lobbied time and time again for further allowances to be made with the mods allowed but they still spend more money per bike than most of the Japanese teams do. The Rossi money had to come from somewhere and Ducati aren't exactly swimming with cash. They only sell a few thousand bikes a year remember.
 
I think Ducati are just cutting their loses while they develop a new V4 road bike.

Heck on that note why don't they try and homologate the Desmosedici? You'd see the Japanese manufacturers suddenly getting a bit more nervous.
 
mctiny said:
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Shame really but at the same time they have pretty much dominated the series since it began only to be held back every few years due to being to advanced compared to the V4's.
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Have a word!

They have had biased regs for too long now, purely to help the twins. Should have been an even keel to start with tbh, and they should never have had the advantage...

I hopped from a GSXR600 to a VTR SP-1 to a 58 Fireblade. The blade made the V-Twin seem like the 600 - absolutely blown away. I used to defend twins, but tbh unless you want character IL4 is just so much quicker.
 
Pug said:
Have a word!

They have had biased regs for too long now, purely to help the twins. Should have been an even keel to start with tbh, and they should never have had the advantage...

I hopped from a GSXR600 to a VTR SP-1 to a 58 Fireblade. The blade made the V-Twin seem like the 600 - absolutely blown away. I used to defend twins, but tbh unless you want character IL4 is just so much quicker.
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Have a word yourself if you will.:rolleyes:

The regs were biased towards them and then pulled back each time the Jap's complained, then Ducati would complain and they were opened up a little again and so on, that's how it has been in WSBK since day one! for one it's hard to get an even balance between an IL4/V-Twin/Triple, they have tried many things to get it even but always fail - "Foggy Petronas" anyone?;) - a team with a Triple and the regs were always against them, a few years earlier and they may have had a better chance...
 
the regs should be the same for all, and if you can get a twin to be as quick then its viable technology, if you cant, then it isnt. I dont think there would be many Duke victories if it was a level playing field, they used to have a 250cc displacement advantage for crying out loud, and now with a ~200cc advantage.

You dont see WRC having cars with 2.2L engines because they're italian.
 
Pug said:
Have a word!

They have had biased regs for too long now, purely to help the twins. Should have been an even keel to start with tbh, and they should never have had the advantage...

I hopped from a GSXR600 to a VTR SP-1 to a 58 Fireblade. The blade made the V-Twin seem like the 600 - absolutely blown away. I used to defend twins, but tbh unless you want character IL4 is just so much quicker.
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I agree with you the 58 blade is a hell of a lot quicker with a fair amount of extra power. However the 58 blade is pretty much the newest incarnation of 1000cc IL4 whereas the SP1 is a 10 year old 1000cc twin, not really a fair comparison is it? A fairer comparison would be against the "litre" bikes of that period (in quotes because I am aware they weren't actually true litre bikes).

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the regs should be the same for all, and if you can get a twin to be as quick then its viable technology, if you cant, then it isnt. I dont think there would be many Duke victories if it was a level playing field, they used to have a 250cc displacement advantage for crying out loud, and now with a ~200cc advantage.

You dont see WRC having cars with 2.2L engines because they're italian.
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Which isn't quite right either, it's not "because they are Italian", it's because as you stated above they are twin cylinder as opposed to 4 cylinder. The Aprilia RSV4 is a V4 and 1000cc, if it was due to the company being "Italian" then the V4 would be 1200cc as well.

I'd agree with you that the 4 Cylinder bikes (be that V or IL) are going to be better performing for a given capacity, it may be that Ducati are going to change from a twin configuration, but that would be a very risky move for them, it's been one of their defining characteristics for a very long time.
 
well, i should say when i swapped my SP1 out i initially wanted a twin, so rode a KTM RC8 1190, and this was a league slower than the blade as well, sadly, as it handled amazingly, and looked very special.

As for the italian comment, it was a bit tongue in cheek :)
 
Pug said:
the regs should be the same for all, and if you can get a twin to be as quick then its viable technology, if you cant, then it isnt. I dont think there would be many Duke victories if it was a level playing field, they used to have a 250cc displacement advantage for crying out loud, and now with a ~200cc advantage.

You dont see WRC having cars with 2.2L engines because they're italian.
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It's not just about displacement though, you have weight limits and the power a "Twin" produces is not as much as a 4 cylinder, they have tried many things and never seem to get it right.

Ducati realised a long time ago about it and that's why they don't have a V-Twin in Motogp.
 
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