Dx 10 in less than 90 days?

SameSuspect · 2 Sep 2006 at 01:00

Hi im looking into getting a new gc with my system and its between the ati x1900xt and the EVGA GeForce 7900 GT KO SuperClocked 512MB

Im getting a conroe with ddr 800mhz.

The highest res i will play at will probably be 1280x1024

i wanna get the evga because of the stepup programme but dunno if their will be any new cards before the 90 days

Tom|Nbk · 2 Sep 2006 at 01:15

the new dx10 card's will most likely be out within 3 month's i would say, but whats up with dx9 :confused:

, id just be wary of buying a dx10 card as soon as not many dx10 games will be out till late 07 onward's by that time your first gen dx10 card will be out of date.

Zefan · 2 Sep 2006 at 01:19

Tom|Nbk said:
by that time your first gen dx10 card will be out of date.

I was trying to think of how to word this, exactly the same as the first SM3 cards - my 6800GT doesn't handle high resolution maxxed detail SM3 games now, whereas an x1800 or a 7800gt will

Fact is the cards will come out with DX10 as a feature but they wont be able to run the games that actually make use of the technology very well due to the fact that they'll be getting on a bit.

:edit: Just realised I've more or less just reworded your post

locutus12 · 2 Sep 2006 at 01:43

SameSuspect said:
Hi im looking into getting a new gc with my system and its between the ati x1900xt and the EVGA GeForce 7900 GT KO SuperClocked 512MB

Im getting a conroe with ddr 800mhz.

The highest res i will play at will probably be 1280x1024

i wanna get the evga because of the stepup programme but dunno if their will be any new cards before the 90 days

based on the resolution your playing at i would say go for the X1800XT and save some money. as for dx 10, nothings going to make major use of it till late 2007,

UT 2K7 = dx9
supreme commander = dx9
battle for midway = dx9
spore = dx9

all of them come out early to mid 2007 so as you can see, there wont be much uptake of DX10 till later next year.

Tom|Nbk · 2 Sep 2006 at 03:02

locutus12 said:
UT 2K7 = dx9
supreme commander = dx9
battle for midway = dx9
spore = dx9
enemy territory quake war's = dx9
crysis = dx9 all current videos are dx9, how can it look better than this

Just to add a few more to that list

, dx9 isn't dead just because some superior version has come out fair enough eventually it will be, but it takes a lot of time for things like this to settle in

.

Yewen · 2 Sep 2006 at 03:42

Tom|Nbk said:
Just to add a few more to that list , dx9 isn't dead just because some superior version has come out fair enough eventually it will be, but it takes a lot of time for things like this to settle in .

Very few games require above DX8 even today, GF4 Ti4800 is still soldiering on.

SameSuspect · 2 Sep 2006 at 09:37

thanx for your replies, i always thought supreme commander and ut07 will be dx10 :/

anyway, i would keep the x1800xt but it seems to struggle in a lot of the games i have even at 1280/960 vsync on. So a better card is deffinate

i think im going to go for the nvidia. It seems ati have a lot of stuttering problems in games like fear, which nvidia havnt

paradigm · 2 Sep 2006 at 10:21

Remember that you will also need to upgrade to Vista for DX10 hardware to be of any use to you

Darkwave · 2 Sep 2006 at 10:40

Supreme Commander will be a DirectX 9 game Unreal Tournament 2007 will run under both DirectX 9 and DirectX 10 modes as far as I know, as will Crysis.

locutus12 · 2 Sep 2006 at 12:25

SameSuspect said:
thanx for your replies, i always thought supreme commander and ut07 will be dx10 :/

anyway, i would keep the x1800xt but it seems to struggle in a lot of the games i have even at 1280/960 vsync on. So a better card is deffinate

i think im going to go for the nvidia. It seems ati have a lot of stuttering problems in games like fear, which nvidia havnt

1, if your playing with an X1800XT at 1280X960 and your struggling then something is wrong with your computer as an X1800XT will pretty much play everything currently available on the market at max detail.

2, if your going for Nvidia, your abit daft given ATi`s range is currently cheaper, more powerful, does HDR+AA, is more reliable, and has better image quality.

3, you dont need a new graphics card, you need to sort out your current issues.

i didnt realise you already owned an X1800xt you see. now i know you do, i think youd be abit daft to upgrade it just for a resolution of 1280X960. your performance troubles are comming from something else other than the cards overall avaiable power.

what games are you struggling on ?

Stelly · 2 Sep 2006 at 12:28

but that does not mean that the new dx10 card will not perform dx9 instructions better then the current dx9 cards, right?

stelly

locutus12 · 2 Sep 2006 at 12:31

Stelly said:
but that does not mean that the new dx10 card will not perform dx9 instructions better then the current dx9 cards, right?

stelly

dx10 will be using a software layer to perform DX9 instructions which may effectivly make graphics cards less effecient when using DX9 or lower based games in the future.

LoadsaMoney · 2 Sep 2006 at 12:43

Bit pointless releasing DX10 cards now as you can't use DX10 till around Jan/Feb.

Slam62 · 2 Sep 2006 at 12:51

Well MS seems to have caught out the gf card makers by delaying vista and dx10.

On the basis of dx9 it'll be at least 6 mths after the launch of the cards untill its needed and by then some new cards will be out.

The card manufacturers need a new product for you to buy, unfortunately you wont be able to do anything with them unless they are faster at dx9, either way a risky buy as 2nd gen will be a lot better.

Tom|Nbk · 2 Sep 2006 at 13:09

paradigm said:
Remember that you will also need to upgrade to Vista for DX10 hardware to be of any use to you

what for a few extra visual features, no thanks vista works just fine with a nice dx9 setup

LoadsaMoney · 2 Sep 2006 at 13:19

locutus12 said:
1, if your playing with an X1800XT at 1280X960 and your struggling then something is wrong with your computer as an X1800XT will pretty much play everything currently available on the market at max detail.

Have to agree, 1280x1024 here (TFT), and eveygame maxed out, my x1800 is just cutting through them like nothing.

Macro · 2 Sep 2006 at 13:45

The upcoming DX10 compatable cards will run DX9 games faster than the current generation cards in any case. They also have the advantage that as DX10 stuff appears it will be able run it, then, in 18 months time when the mainstream DX10 stuff starts appearing it'll be time to upgrade to a new second gen DX10 card anyway (assuming the manufacturers continue to do a major release + a refresh release every year).

Can't see a downside to be honest, although I suppose the new cards will almost certainly command a premium price when they are released but then they always do on release of the next gen.

Unless you are desperate for a new GPU or tight for cash and there's a good deal (as there is on a lot of the current gen cards atm - every wonder why they are so cheap all of a sudden with DX10 on the horizon

) then there's no point in investing in a old hardware platform.

I doubt any of the current gen cards would offer much of a return for your money over your 1800XT tbh.

/shrug

LoadsaMoney · 2 Sep 2006 at 13:54

Why would you get a DX10 card to run DX9 games faster if your x1900 etc... is still throwing DX9 games around at about 100fps+, its an absolute waste of money, thats the downside, so the DX10s will lets say get 120fps, are you really gona notice, or even care that you can get an extra 20 frames if your already getting 100+, has 100fps+ suddenly turned into a slideshow, has it now become unplayable, when you fire a gun etc... have you got to now go on a 2x week cruise and when you get back your just in time to see the bullet fired, i seriously doubt it.

DX10 cards are only gona benefit those with low end cards, if you have a high end card then its got at least a year left, so save your money and get the faster. much better DX10 cards that are going to be out then, and that wont be R600/G80, or wait untill DX10 is being used more, a couple of games with added extras is nowhere near worth it, not when you can happily play em in DX9 under XP.

Macro · 2 Sep 2006 at 14:12

Sorry Loadamoney I've got to disagree with you on that (ish).

If you have a 1800xt currently on a 1280x1024 video card I agree and see no point in upgrading to another current gen card, the increase you'll see will be negligable. If you have plans to move to a bigger screen at some point then the increase you'd get by going to a 1900 (for example) would help more. If we're to believe the statements from MS, ATI and Nvidia then you would get an ever bigger increase with the next gen cards, plus advantage of DX10 support.

DX10 cards are not just attractive to people with low end cards, they are attractive to people playing games etc on 24" monitors that want to be able to play with the detail right up and full HDR/AA/AF etc.

The next gen cards (and lets ignore the DX10 bit for a second) are supposed (alledgedly

) to be "substantialy" faster than current gen cards, even leaving the relative merits of if anything will take full advantage of DX10 aside.

Of course if you already have something like a 1900 or a 7950 then there wouldn't be much point unless there was a specific program/game that appeared that required DX10 to play. I can't think of any at the moment, even Crysis will play on DX9 albeit without the DX10 bells and whistles.

The argument is the same as every time a new gen of video cards appears. Having said that the addition of wanting to play at 1900x1200 with everything maxxed and DX10 could make the next gen cards more attractive on day 1 than in the past.

In the end if you can justify buying a 7950 or 1900 for better performance then you can almost certainly justify waiting a few weeks for the next gen cards to appear, unless, as i said you are on a budget or not planning on using a >20" screen any time soon.

paradigm · 2 Sep 2006 at 14:16

Tom|Nbk said:
what for a few extra visual features, no thanks vista works just fine with a nice dx9 setup

No, that wasn't my point. My point was that if you buy DX10 hardware, you NEED Vista in order to utilise the new execution paths, as DX10 software will NOT be available for Windows XP.

DX10 hardware is also NOT needed for vista in order to turn on all the visual options, runs just fine here on my DX9 setup