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DX10 Graphics cards
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OK done a search and cant seem to find any real answer on the Nvidia side of things. My main question is wheather I should get a 7950GX2 card or wait for the DX10 cards to come on the market. I am looking to run Crysis in the best possible way as soon as it comes out.
Spec:
Asus A8N SLI Deluxe
AMD X2 4400+ running at 2.5ghz
2gb Geil RAM
XFX Geforce 7900GT
Spec:
Asus A8N SLI Deluxe
AMD X2 4400+ running at 2.5ghz
2gb Geil RAM
XFX Geforce 7900GT
I’m in the same boat really. I have a similar system only with a 7800GT and I dont know if I should get a 7950 GX2 or wait on DX10. I keep seeing very good arguments for and against. I cant buy till October starts so untill then Im looking for answers on DX10 also.
Daston said:
then wait until just before it comes out and buy the current top card.
Games do have a habit of getting delayed however but if you are happy with your gaming performance atm then you might as well wait.
The other option is get a card now and upgrade it just before crysis is released. In my experience gfx cards get good resale value on fleabay with people paying well over the odds. There will be plenty of people on there who don't know the difference between dx9 and dx10. I generally keep a top card for 12 months and expect to lose 50% on what I paid for it over that time.
Im seriously considering adopting this as my new strategy! I usually use parts till they die or save them for spare or put em in the gf's pc.ArchAnGeL said:
Thing is I am happy with games on my 7800GT BUT; im expecting my new 22" widescreen to arrive today and that might well change with the need for higher res (ie 1280x1024 -> 1680x1050).
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7950 GX2 will cut through Crysis no sweat, it runs in DX9 and under XP, there is no need for £230+ Vista (which is required for DX10), or a £350+ DX10 card, as the game looks exactly the same in DX10 as it does in DX9, the DX10 shots which are being bandied about are exactly the same as the DX9 ones, a 7950 GX2 will last well over a year, by which time DX10 may be used more, and much faster, better DX10 cards will be out as they come out every couple of months, i just would not spend £600+ for one single game that looks no different to DX9, and which a high end card like the GX2 will cut through with ease anyway. 
Here are the DX10 shots, now can anyone tell me the differance between those and the video footage of it running on x1900's in DX9, and why you want to spend £600+ on it, as you need Vista for £230+ for DX10, no way around it, it is required, and you need your £350+ DX10 card.
Here are the DX10 shots, now can anyone tell me the differance between those and the video footage of it running on x1900's in DX9, and why you want to spend £600+ on it, as you need Vista for £230+ for DX10, no way around it, it is required, and you need your £350+ DX10 card.
Exactly what loadsamoney said 
I would recommend the 7950GX2 having just bought one myself
I am extremely pleased with it and runs everything beautifully.
I am surprised that no one mentioned that if you buy the eVGA 7950GX2 they have a scheme called the "Step Up " program which allows you to upgrade to the next card up for the difference in price from the card you have. I hope that makes sense. You can only use the step up once and within 3 months of purchasing your card. I don't know when the dx10 cards are to become available but if they do become available within the next 3 months (Assuming you do buy a 7950GX2 etc) then you can upgrade cheaply Hope i have explained this ok.
I would recommend the 7950GX2 having just bought one myself
I am extremely pleased with it and runs everything beautifully. I am surprised that no one mentioned that if you buy the eVGA 7950GX2 they have a scheme called the "Step Up " program which allows you to upgrade to the next card up for the difference in price from the card you have. I hope that makes sense. You can only use the step up once and within 3 months of purchasing your card. I don't know when the dx10 cards are to become available but if they do become available within the next 3 months (Assuming you do buy a 7950GX2 etc) then you can upgrade cheaply
Hope i have explained this ok.
LoadsaMoney said:you need Vista for £230+ for DX10, no way around it, it is required, and you need your £350+ DX10 card.
We've done this one several times before - Vista is not £230+ it's ~£120 for an upgrade and less than £100 for an OEM edition (assuming you go for Home premium, and if as you say you're just buying it for DX10 then that's what you would go for).
You're not doing the next gen cards any justice just refering to them as "just" DX10 cards - they will be significantly faster than current top of the line cards even in DX9 / XP. DX10 support is just a bonus.
The OPs budget of £500 would allow him to buy the new flagship Nvidia or ATI video card which for DX9/XP will bury current cards AND upgrade to DX10/Vista as well if he wants to.
As an aside - from the same article you quote:
Yerli: What I said was DX9 on Vista runs better than DX9 on XP. So if I have a gaming PC, and I’m comparing DX9 on XP versus DX9 on Vista, Vista runs better. The operating system is optimized for graphics drivers and optimized for gaming. It’s optimized for more controller functions – the game simply runs more smoothly. Just seeing Far Cry - it runs better. That’s a hell of an achievement because for me that’s reason enough to change operating systems. Also there’s a gamer score support, rich game saves, many game aspects supported. You can literally save your game and see a screenshot of that save in Explorer. That’s just fantastic.
So assuming you have the budget I really can't figure out why you wouldn't go for Vista & or a next gen card if you're serious about a top end gaming machine
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G80 is being bandied about as early as November, although why that is is beyond me, no point it having DX10 when theres no way in hell that it can be used till Jan/Feb (DX10), you need Vista no way round it, DX10 is not being released till Jan/Feb, so why bring out a card with a feature that can't be used for months, in fact technically DX10 is not going to be used till Crysis comes out, and last i heard that was bloody March, and they expect you to get a DX10 card now LMFAO, yeah sure im gona get a DX10 card now then im gona play Crysis on it, looking exactly like it does on me old DX9 card in about 6-7 months time, man is my card going to be old by then.
R600 is supposed to be around Vista time, just after.
R600 is supposed to be around Vista time, just after.
But the G80 is still going to be faster than current cards even for XP/DX9 so when (if?) it appears in November it will still be much faster than current cards. You'd buy it for the same reasons people bought the x1900 or 7900s when they came out - because although they are expensive they are the quickest.
When Vista is available (and it will be available from Nov for volume licensing/OEMs) it will have the additional advantage of running DX10 stuff as it appears.
It will be a long while before DX10 becomes the be all and end all for gaming, in the mean time the combination of the fastest GPU + fastest OS (as Vista runs DX9 faster than XP) seems a sensible move to me (assuming you have the budget), especially if you run stuff at 1900 x 1200 with all the bells and whistles on
When Vista is available (and it will be available from Nov for volume licensing/OEMs) it will have the additional advantage of running DX10 stuff as it appears.
It will be a long while before DX10 becomes the be all and end all for gaming, in the mean time the combination of the fastest GPU + fastest OS (as Vista runs DX9 faster than XP) seems a sensible move to me (assuming you have the budget), especially if you run stuff at 1900 x 1200 with all the bells and whistles on
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Sorry to hijack the thread, but I'm in a similar position and this may (possibly) help with your decision.
I have a 256MB 7800GT and run at 1600×1200 (may get a 1680×1050 WS in the not too distant future). For CS:S/DOD:S and BF2 (the main 3d games I play) it's just a fraction too slow as I can't stand less than 4xAA and 8xAF. I really want better performance NOW but want to spend as little as humanly possible.
Considering the 7900GS from OCUK is currently £117.49 I was considering purchasing two of them. Would this serve me better than a single X1900XT 512MB for damn near the same price? Or even an X1800XT for £129.24?
I understand that the ATI choice would allow slightly better filtering than the SLI option, but I only notice the dodgy filtering every other day for a moment or two, so I'm not too worried about it.
Other system specs: 2×1GB PC3200, A64 3800+ 512KB cache, DFI LP UT NF4 Ultra-D (I would need an SLI bridge...).
I have a 256MB 7800GT and run at 1600×1200 (may get a 1680×1050 WS in the not too distant future). For CS:S/DOD:S and BF2 (the main 3d games I play) it's just a fraction too slow as I can't stand less than 4xAA and 8xAF. I really want better performance NOW but want to spend as little as humanly possible.
Considering the 7900GS from OCUK is currently £117.49 I was considering purchasing two of them. Would this serve me better than a single X1900XT 512MB for damn near the same price? Or even an X1800XT for £129.24?
I understand that the ATI choice would allow slightly better filtering than the SLI option, but I only notice the dodgy filtering every other day for a moment or two, so I'm not too worried about it.
Other system specs: 2×1GB PC3200, A64 3800+ 512KB cache, DFI LP UT NF4 Ultra-D (I would need an SLI bridge...).
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Athanor said:
Completely agree, if G80 is fastest in DX9 and also do DX10 why wouldn't you buy one!
There is now way that Nvidia will launch a card that is slower than their current DX9 offerings, OK I'm sure it won't be the fastest DX10 in 3/6 months time but that is just the nature of the beast
I'm thinking about a GFX card upgrade and a fast DX9 card with DX10 compatibility in around Nov sounds ideal!
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Not so much. At least not for me.Magic Man said:
This is different because its not everyday theres a new version of DX and since theres also going to be a new OS aswell... Its just wise to be cautious at a time like this.
Besides, I've personally resolved to buy now rather than later and aim to make the money back on ebay if i need to suddenly upgrade in a few months. Also, I'm lucky cuz I will probably get a free copy of Vista on release via University. As I did with XP.
