e2180 overclocking

wingnuttzz · 1 Aug 2008 at 00:02

hi guys

been trying to overclock my e2180, and have been with great results

my system is as below
e2180
evga 680i
patriot 4gb ram
zalman 9700-nt

i've got it completly stable at 3.4ghz @ 1.45v's in the bios (idle's at about 45, load at about 77)

the thing is, i can't seem to get it to run at 3.6ghz. i've been all the way up to 1.625v's in the bios, and i tried upping the CPU FSB voltage and the Nvidia SSP and MCP volts with no avail.
It can boot into windows, load everything, but as soon as i try to run orthos, as soon as i click start, it crashes and last-time it jsut shut the pc down. (thermal cut kicking in??)
admitly, it was idling about 70, but surely its fine for a cpu to hit nearly 100 in orthos, as in real life situation, u will nvr stress d cpu like tht.

i have since gone back to my 3.4ghz set-up, but really want to push this CPU further, lol.

have i reached the limit of the CPU, or is my cooling my limits??

and what do you guys run your e2180's at and at what volts etc

thanks
Grant

TheRedZealot · 1 Aug 2008 at 00:24

Youve got a better chip than i had

needed 1.55v for 333x9

melbourne720 · 1 Aug 2008 at 07:48

That is a lot of voltage and a high temp going into that chip!!

I'd stop at [email protected] - that is still a 70% overclock. Generally the higher a chip goes, it needs disproportionately voltage to be stable.

pastymuncher · 1 Aug 2008 at 11:58

Seems like i had a good one then. 1.4v for 3.6Ghz in a Gigabyte P31 DS3L. To tell the truth, you are not going to notice much difference with 200mhz. I benched at 3/3.2/3.4/3.6Ghz and over the whole 600mhz range there was only a small performance increase between the 3Ghz and 3.6Ghz. In 06 it was only an extra few hundred points. 03 was 1500 points. 01 was 3500 points. Be happy with what you have. It's really not worth the hassle to go any further. I certainly would'nt be happy with a 70 degree idle. In fact i would'nt be happy with load temps that high. Mine maxxed out at 62 degrees full load under Orthos, and that was with a crappy heatsink too. A copper Nexxus version of the stock Intel with a larger fan.

wingnuttzz · 1 Aug 2008 at 13:18

seems these cpu's can be a hit or a miss, whether you get a good overclocker or not.

tbh, i'm not very happy with my current load temp of 77, but the way i see it is that in a normal situation (gaming etc), you are never going to stress the cpu the same way orthos does, and i am yet to go over 60 i think in normal situations, so i'm happy with my temps atm.

marscay · 2 Aug 2008 at 01:23

wingnuttzz said:
admitly, it was idling about 70, but surely its fine for a cpu to hit nearly 100 in orthos, as in real life situation, u will nvr stress d cpu like tht.

no

70c idle is way too scorchy, ideally you want load temps at 75c max ...throttling will kick in not long after.

3.4 for a budget chip is pretty good.

Buckster · 2 Aug 2008 at 06:56

wow thats good going

my 2180 needs 1.51 (bios) - quite a bit of vdroop though for 3.0 gig

PhoenixUK · 3 Aug 2008 at 03:12

Whyyy you cant run your 40quid CPU @ 4GHZ on air 24/7 stable... whyy...
oh the irony.

If you want to be extreme, boot it @ 2.0v on air ;-)

. I did it with E2200 @ 3.85ghz kamikadze shot, too bad it switched off shortly after the CPU-Z loaded due to hitting over 95c

.

On everyday use I wouldnt run it over 65c in orthos.

mame · 3 Aug 2008 at 14:47

with my e2180 at 3.2ghz it idles at 39-42c but with the warmer weather its been more like 45c. If i run orthos is hovers between 64-69c. Thats with 1.337v. Maybe it's time i went for 3.4ghz !

kppanic · 14 Aug 2008 at 19:32

mame said:
with my e2180 at 3.2ghz it idles at 39-42c but with the warmer weather its been more like 45c. If i run orthos is hovers between 64-69c. Thats with 1.337v. Maybe it's time i went for 3.4ghz !

That's some "leet" voltage you got there =) sorry had to get that out of my system.

I run mine at 3.2ghz also, 39-42c idle temp and at orthos maxes at 66 for 12 hours.

Kelt · 14 Aug 2008 at 20:43

I was happy with my old (lol, only sold it today) E2180 running at 3200 for only 1.35V in bios. Could get it to 3400 but as said above, needed a disproportionate amount of volts to get it there i.e., 1.4+, just not worth it for an extra 200Mhz to me, with the increase in temps. Sooner run it nice and cool and less stressed. Expecting a lot to try and get an E2180 at 3600!

MoRT489 · 15 Aug 2008 at 09:38

mame said:
with my e2180 at 3.2ghz it idles at 39-42c but with the warmer weather its been more like 45c. If i run orthos is hovers between 64-69c. Thats with 1.337v. Maybe it's time i went for 3.4ghz !

kppanic said:
I run mine at 3.2ghz also, 39-42c idle temp and at orthos maxes at 66 for 12 hours.

What cooler u guys using i have mine at 1.5v+ and it idles at 32ºC, load under orthos 70ºC under a Tuniq Tower.

To OP: max safe operating temps for these chips is 73ºC. U r right real life useage wont push it near orthos temps but with such a high idle temp u have at a relatively low voltage i would presume u have fitted the cooler wrong or applied too much thermal paste! Stock cooler?

SlyReaper · 15 Aug 2008 at 10:44

I use an E2160, and I've found you tend to hit a wall when overclocking where it just won't budge any higher. Temps and voltages might be fine, but it refuses to go a notch higher. My wall seems to be 3.24GHz and I need an insane voltage to get that.

pastymuncher · 15 Aug 2008 at 16:23

creed said:
What cooler u guys using i have mine at 1.5v+ and it idles at 32ºC, load under orthos 70ºC under a Tuniq Tower.

To OP: max safe operating temps for these chips is 73ºC. U r right real life useage wont push it near orthos temps but with such a high idle temp u have at a relatively low voltage i would presume u have fitted the cooler wrong or applied too much thermal paste! Stock cooler?

I certainly would'nt feel comfortable with that. I had one to 3.6Ghz with 1.4v (golden stepping

) and that maxxed out at 56 degrees after 12 hours of prime. Cooler was a Nexxus full copper version of the Intel stock cooler but with a 92mm fan. You voltage is the cause. I noticed that after 1.4v the temps started to shoot up and with 1.5v would hit 72 degrees before i shut it down. That is why i settled for 3.6Ghz and 1.4v. It appears that you get a good one or a not so good one with these cpu's.

OP. Your temps are miles too high. I would drop the voltage as low as you can or you are going to cook that cpu.

wingnuttzz · 15 Aug 2008 at 16:36

i'm guessing OP stands for Original Poster (a.k.a me)

i've just rebuilt my PC (new PSU being fitted) and in doing so, i desided to re-sit my cooler (zalman 9700NT) as my temp's did seem to be rather higher. While rebuilding, i also fitted another 120mm fan to the front of my case directly in line with the cooler as from what i could figure out, my cooler was actually getting no benifit from my front HHD cooling fan as the graphics card practically cut the case in 2, lol.

just ran Orthos again, and my max load temp is much much better now, 65 degree's

idling at around 42..ish

just goes go's to show how a badly applied cooler and bad case cooling can affect your tempertures

Am i right in assuming these temps are now good and safe??

Going to play around with my voltages later aswell, see how far i can drop them and keep them the system stable (it wasn't stable at 1.4v's, and its perfectly stable at 1.45v's, i haven't looked at anything in between) so maybe i might get another temp drop

thanks
Grant (wingnuttzz)

MoRT489 · 15 Aug 2008 at 16:39

Much more like it yes

pastymuncher · 15 Aug 2008 at 17:07

wingnuttzz said:
i'm guessing OP stands for Original Poster (a.k.a me)

i've just rebuilt my PC (new PSU being fitted) and in doing so, i desided to re-sit my cooler (zalman 9700NT) as my temp's did seem to be rather higher. While rebuilding, i also fitted another 120mm fan to the front of my case directly in line with the cooler as from what i could figure out, my cooler was actually getting no benifit from my front HHD cooling fan as the graphics card practically cut the case in 2, lol.

just ran Orthos again, and my max load temp is much much better now, 65 degree's
idling at around 42..ish

just goes go's to show how a badly applied cooler and bad case cooling can affect your tempertures

Am i right in assuming these temps are now good and safe??

Going to play around with my voltages later aswell, see how far i can drop them and keep them the system stable (it wasn't stable at 1.4v's, and its perfectly stable at 1.45v's, i haven't looked at anything in between) so maybe i might get another temp drop

thanks
Grant (wingnuttzz)

That's much more like it. What's the vdroop like on your board? If you load up cpu-z it will tell you the voltage. Take that away from what you set in bios and you have vdroop. Sort of like that anyway.

Buckster · 15 Aug 2008 at 17:31

70C is fine

I've had mine running small prime @ 72 ish for hours on end

73C operating temperature I'm sure is Casetemp not dietemp - add at least another 15C on top of that for read temp max

wingnuttzz · 15 Aug 2008 at 17:45

pastymuncher said:
That's much more like it. What's the vdroop like on your board? If you load up cpu-z it will tell you the voltage. Take that away from what you set in bios and you have vdroop. Sort of like that anyway.

yay

my motherboard (Evga 680i) suffers quite a lot from v-droop.
At idle in CPU-Z the core voltage is 1.424v's
under load (orthos) though this drops to 1.400v's

remember i'm reading 1.45v's in the bios

i did a bit of reading about the pencil trick on my board, so i might try it, as the difference between the BIOS and in windows doesn't really bother me, its the volt's dropping off under load that is the problem, as you have to conpensate for that, which means you are over-volting at idle.

pastymuncher · 15 Aug 2008 at 19:06

wingnuttzz said:
yay

my motherboard (Evga 680i) suffers quite a lot from v-droop.
At idle in CPU-Z the core voltage is 1.424v's
under load (orthos) though this drops to 1.400v's

remember i'm reading 1.45v's in the bios

i did a bit of reading about the pencil trick on my board, so i might try it, as the difference between the BIOS and in windows doesn't really bother me, its the volt's dropping off under load that is the problem, as you have to conpensate for that, which means you are over-volting at idle.

Had to do a pencil mod on mine as it was so bad. Set to 1.4v in bios you get 1.34 in cpu-z. :eek:

Did the mod and no more compensating.