e6300 or e4300 with a p5n-sli 650 and ocz 6400 memory?

benskia · 24 Feb 2007 at 16:31

Hi,

I've read about the memory & mobo's being the limiting factor in overclocking on the e6300. So would the above combination get a e6300 past 3ghz, or should I go for a e4300?

Cheers.

Tombo · 24 Feb 2007 at 16:44

With that ram and board get the 6300.

benskia · 24 Feb 2007 at 17:17

Any chance you could explain the reason for this a little better to help my decision.

Thanks.

Kaiju · 24 Feb 2007 at 17:33

I have the E4300 (SI-120 HSF) with a P5N-E and OCZ 6400 Memory.

After a week testing, the following results above are stable (Orthos BETA 12hr). I'm currently testing for stability for lower volts on the vcore and vdimm at this point.

As you can see my E4300 needs a lot of volts to hit anything over 3GHz.

People are getting around the 3.2GHz mark stable as you can see.

In retrospect i'd of probably opted for a E6400 now and I'd certainly swap my E4300 for E6400 given the chance.

I wouldn't swap the E4300 for the E6300 now as i'm happy with this E4300, given it's a 75-80% overclock.

The 7x multi on the E6300 is hit and miss on how high the CPU FSB will go, but if I had to start again i'd of took my chances with a E6300 given the P5N-E and OCZ memory are decent enough to handle a high FSB CPU.

Jleo · 24 Feb 2007 at 20:28

Great Post Kaiju very informative.

easyrider · 24 Feb 2007 at 20:38

Boot speeds dont count here IMO.

It means nothing that one can boot at 3.6ghz

needs atleast some stabilty in orthos.

Notice that my 3.5ghz had scope for tweaking for 12 hrs stabilty.

And 3600 does not.

Kaiju · 24 Feb 2007 at 20:41

easyrider said:
Notice that my 3.5ghz had scope for tweaking for 12 hrs stabilty.

And 3600 does not.

Aww easyrider. *hugs*

I think people can figure that out for themselves though.

easyrider · 24 Feb 2007 at 20:42

FOR MOBOS THAT HAVE NO FSB LIMITATION THE E4300 IS NOT THE CPU TO GET,

THE ONLY TIME A E4300 IS USEFUL IS FOR MOBOS WITH LIMITED FSB.

Sorry for shouting but i have said this so many times now its getting boring!

Kaiju · 24 Feb 2007 at 20:47

easyrider said:
FOR MOBOS THAT HAVE NO FSB LIMITAION THE E4300 IS NOT THE CPU TO GET,

THE ONLY TIME A E4300 IS USEFUL IS FOR MOBOS WITH LIMITED FSB.

Sorry for shouting but i have said this so many times now its getting boring!

Well, there isn't really any need to shout anyway.

If people want the info offhand without scourining thread by thread for a specific answer, then they have every right to do so. If you don't have the patience for people who want an answer straight away without having to do any research (probably as they are busy people), then i suggest you refrain from the thread and keep your knowledge to yourself.

easyrider · 24 Feb 2007 at 20:48

Kaiju said:
Well, there isn't really any need to shout anyway.

If people want the info offhand without scourining thread by thread for a specific answer, then they have every right to do so. If you don't have the patience for people who want an answer straight away without having to do any research (probably as they are busy people), then i suggest you refrain from the the thread and keep your knowledge to yourself.

Its called the search function.

And half the time I argue they just want to be spoon fed.
It doesn't take long to do some mild research onn the boards before we get another same as hundreds of other posts.

Kaiju · 24 Feb 2007 at 20:49

easyrider said:
Its called the search function.

It's *called* show a little common courtesy mate.

easyrider · 24 Feb 2007 at 20:51

Kaiju said:
It's *called* show a little common courtesy mate.

I'll give time to people that want and indeed have interest in the world of pc.

Hence my E4300 thread,

Why cant people just read that?

It has everything in there that anyone could possibly need about getting a E4300.

First accounts tests,analysis and results.

Kaiju · 24 Feb 2007 at 20:54

easyrider said:
I'll give time to people that want and indeed have interest in the world of pc.

Yeah, that's great and all, but why post a shouty type reply to someone you don't have time for?

If you don't have time for said person, why don't you just not post at all?

benskia · 24 Feb 2007 at 20:55

I have read this forum until being blue in the face & not until Easyrider "shouted" it at me did I have a solid clarification of which chip to go for.

So, even though he was a bit rude. I now have the answer.

So thanks is due to everyone who posted.

Kaiju · 24 Feb 2007 at 20:56

No problemo benskia.

easyrider · 24 Feb 2007 at 20:59

Kaiju said:
Yeah, that's great and all, but why post a shouty type reply to someone you don't have time for?

If you don't have time for said person, why don't you just not post at all?

Its not personal.

Its for people in general.

The GFX card forum is in a state at the mo with the same posts about the 8800 gts 320 mb.

is faster than this?
should i upgrade from this?
how much faster is it than this?
will my psu power the 8800 gts?

it goes on and on and its making the borads bland!

Glad now that I stated the the awswer with a bit of volume as now the OP has got the answer he needs.

man_from_uncle · 24 Feb 2007 at 22:22

Kaiju said:
Yeah, that's great and all, but why post a shouty type reply to someone you don't have time for?

If you don't have time for said person, why don't you just not post at all?

I had to highlight this piece of oft missed wisdom.

man_from_uncle · 24 Feb 2007 at 22:31

easyrider said:
Its not personal.

Its for people in general.

The GFX card forum is in a state at the mo with the same posts about the 8800 gts 320 mb.

is faster than this?
should i upgrade from this?
how much faster is it than this?
will my psu power the 8800 gts?

it goes on and on and its making the borads bland!

Glad now that I stated the the awswer with a bit of volume as now the OP has got the answer he needs.

The problem though is that (as I am sure you well know), this thread will have no greater influence than any other. Those that read it will not need to ask obvious questions.....those that don't will.

As someone who is keen to learn a multitude of things in life, I find it hard to break into communities (specifically online communities) where the those with gravitas and knowledge, assume that everyone they speak to SHOULD at least have a certain level of background knowledge. Sadly even the most basic things (like using a search function), aren't known to those who are new.

xiphrex · 25 Feb 2007 at 00:08

easyrider said:
FOR MOBOS THAT HAVE NO FSB LIMITATION THE E4300 IS NOT THE CPU TO GET,

THE ONLY TIME A E4300 IS USEFUL IS FOR MOBOS WITH LIMITED FSB.

Sorry for shouting but i have said this so many times now its getting boring!

The problem is that people cant make sense of this! Ive received conflicting information on this very forum, people saying that the E4300 may overclock better as it is at a lower FSB anyway so the memory wont be a limiting factor especially if you have decent ram. But then other people say get the E6300 or E6xxx as your more likely to overclock to above 3ghz but you need a decent motherboard and overclockable ram as your going to go to high fsb's above PC6400.

So why would the E4300 be worse at overclocking when its originally at a lower FSB? Surely its easier to overclock! I mean I seen some reviews and they all say it is the chip for overclocking at the moment as they managed to get 3.2ghz easy and go further. Plus some people managed to get this aswell.

Isnt the E4300 also made with a smaller process so in theory will produce less heat and need less volts? Ok sure it doesnt have half the cache deactivated like the E6300, but why would that make a difference?

It just doesnt seem logical, and thats why people like me struggle to understand why I have to get better ram and a better mobo just to get what I could get with a cheaper setup. Anyway we'll see what happens next week when my E4300 comes in, I guess I have to try first see if maybe I get a decent chip!

easyrider · 25 Feb 2007 at 00:49

xiphrex said:
The problem is that people cant make sense of this! Ive received conflicting information on this very forum, people saying that the E4300 may overclock better as it is at a lower FSB anyway so the memory wont be a limiting factor especially if you have decent ram. But then other people say get the E6300 or E6xxx as your more likely to overclock to above 3ghz but you need a decent motherboard and overclockable ram as your going to go to high fsb's above PC6400.

So why would the E4300 be worse at overclocking when its originally at a lower FSB? Surely its easier to overclock! I mean I seen some reviews and they all say it is the chip for overclocking at the moment as they managed to get 3.2ghz easy and go further. Plus some people managed to get this aswell.

Isnt the E4300 also made with a smaller process so in theory will produce less heat and need less volts? Ok sure it doesnt have half the cache deactivated like the E6300, but why would that make a difference?

It just doesnt seem logical, and thats why people like me struggle to understand why I have to get better ram and a better mobo just to get what I could get with a cheaper setup. Anyway we'll see what happens next week when my E4300 comes in, I guess I have to try first see if maybe I get a decent chip!

Its simple:

If you get a 4300 then why get a ds3?
if you get 6400 ram why get a E4300

Its simple thinking.

work out what clocks you want..

ALL E4300 will do 3ghz at a lower FSB
ALL E6300 will do 3ghz at a higher FSB

if you want 3.4ghz then go for a DS3 and 6300/6400

if you want 3ghz and cheap ram then go 4300

work the math out.

getting a 650i/DS3 with a E4300 is nonsense.

I dont know what else to say.