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E6850 vs Q6600 (Again?)

Yiuca

Yiuca

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Hey all, This be my 1st post here so I guess you could say I'm a newbie, although I have been lurking for some time, I'm not new to building computers, I'm new to overclocking of any kind though. << My attempt at introduction.

I have seen these threads around, as I've searched via google and read quite abit of threads of the exact same, E6850 or Q6600? I'm at the same kind of dilemma, while I'm somewhat leaning towards the E6850 I am hoping to gain more information here so I can make a more informed decision, this includes any other future processors in the near future, I have heard of Penryn I believe it is, What would be the full benefits of it over these CPU's? (I know it's 45nm, so will probs run cooler, any other benefits however?)

The other questions I have is, Does the Q6600 run hotter than the E6850 & by how much? (I wish to note I do not have intention to run on stock cooler, more on that later) Can the Q6600 really overclock well? I think I heard it can overclock to 3Ghz on stock voltage, Is that true? (It'd simplify it, although I've seen that a lot of CPU's end up with different results when it comes to voltages and overclocking)

The chances are I will make my own decision on this (as we all do) what I am mainly looking for here is some converse & information so I can make a better informed decision, as at the moment there are somethings I'm not sure of such as how hot the Q6600 runs (especially when overclocked) also compared to the E6850 how does it perform? (Does the 1333Mhz FSB make a worthy difference over 1066Mhz?), I'm building this comp to last til sometime after Nehalem so basically til sometime in 2009... I'm not especially fussed about waiting for a newer CPU (As they are always on their way) however would like info on them if possible so I can atleast consider the pros & cons of buying now, for all I know there could be something I really value with what's round the corner, so all in all, this is my quest of making an informed decision and I could do with your help.

Lastly this is not actually too much related to CPU's so much, however the Motherboard I've chosen is the Abit IP35-Pro & the CPU cooler is the Zalman CNPS9500 AT, I were wondering, will this HSF actually fit on the IP35-Pro? As it somewhat looks a little like the Heatsinks on the board may get in the way of the Zalman CPNS9500AT, but I can't really tell, so if anyone can put my mind to rest, that'd be great, other good HSF that you know for fact fit on that motherboard, I would appreciate you letting me know, so I can consider it.

Sorry for my somewhat poorly written post since I'm not too brilliant at being clear & communicating what I mean sometimes, & Thanks in advance for any help/info you can give.
 
Hello and Welcome. :)

That's quite a lot you are asking there. It would be a lot easier for you to search in this forum for answers than for anyone to regurgatate the same answers at length. Then ask for clarification or expansion if you need it. :)
 
weescott said:
Hello and Welcome. :)

That's quite a lot you are asking there. It would be a lot easier for you to search in this forum for answers than for anyone to regurgatate the same answers at length. Then ask for clarification or expansion if you need it. :)
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Thanks, You're right, though I admit I ask a lot usually when I don't mean too anyways! I before was going to search the forum but hadn't registered, then after I register I by then had completely forgotten search function, & went straight to making the 1st post... Good advice though.


@8igdave: Thanks for links, reading through them now! :)

Edit: After reading through those links, then more links (Links inside the links) and reading more I'm starting to lean towards Q6600, my main reservations for it is the kind of Overclocking potential of the Q6600 on Air, does anyone know? Overall I would be happy & content if I can reach about 3.2Ghz on the Q6600 on air with decent temps, as said new to overclocking & somewhat cautious/nervous.
 
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I would suggest a q6600. It will overclock to 3.6ghz on air. The E6850 will go to 4ghz. The difference in a game is nothing. Games arn't cpu dependent mostly and are normaly gpu dependent. Any game that is heavly cpu dependent will support quad cores because they will be able to make use of them. Therefore there is no reason to get a dual core. Plus the Oem E6600 + Turniq tower costs less then the E6850 + turniq tower.
 
processor choice, quad core all the way, as you are intending to clock.

a lot of the energy efficient quads will do 3ghz on stock voltage, and it is possible to clock them in excess of 3.6ghz on air, but as with all cpu's, this is not guaranteed.

The quad should also give you a much better resale price.

Yes, the quad will run hotter than the dual, but this shouldn't be a problem (depending on your case)

I think your choice of cpu cooler is a little strange though, the zalman 9500 is pretty old now, with the newer 9700 out (bigger) the tuniq tower is in the same price range as these. It should fit on the ip35 pro though, but if this is definately the cooler you are getting, i would be slightly weary about chucking it onto a clocked quad... temp's may stop you clocking as far...

My choice, thermalright ultra 120 extreme or tuniq tower, both fit.

IP35 pro, great choice, nuff said on that matter.

Penryn: aparently knocked back a bit on it's release date, something to do with the nvidia chipsets not liking them.

Benefits: lower wattage, thus saves power, runs cooler, clocks further, but the release date of the decently priced cpu's is early next year, so would have to wait a while.
 
8igdave said:
I would suggest a q6600. It will overclock to 3.6ghz on air. The E6850 will go to 4ghz. The difference in a game is nothing. Games arn't cpu dependent mostly and are normaly gpu dependent. Any game that is heavly cpu dependent will support quad cores because they will be able to make use of them. Therefore there is no reason to get a dual core. Plus the Oem E6600 + Turniq tower costs less then the E6850 + turniq tower.
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Thanks for the suggestion, True words, given that I am on Dual core now I may aswell make a bigger step up, currently on X2 4200+ making my 1st step over from AMD to Intel aswell!

processor choice, quad core all the way, as you are intending to clock.

a lot of the energy efficient quads will do 3ghz on stock voltage, and it is possible to clock them in excess of 3.6ghz on air, but as with all cpu's, this is not guaranteed.

The quad should also give you a much better resale price.

Yes, the quad will run hotter than the dual, but this shouldn't be a problem (depending on your case)

I think your choice of cpu cooler is a little strange though, the zalman 9500 is pretty old now, with the newer 9700 out (bigger) the tuniq tower is in the same price range as these. It should fit on the ip35 pro though, but if this is definately the cooler you are getting, i would be slightly weary about chucking it onto a clocked quad... temp's may stop you clocking as far...

My choice, thermalright ultra 120 extreme or tuniq tower, both fit.

IP35 pro, great choice, nuff said on that matter.

Penryn: aparently knocked back a bit on it's release date, something to do with the nvidia chipsets not liking them.

Benefits: lower wattage, thus saves power, runs cooler, clocks further, but the release date of the decently priced cpu's is early next year, so would have to wait a while.
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I've noticed that it seems to be different for everyone on how much a processor can overclock with stability, like some can make it to 3.6Ghz fine while others can't mainstain it stable at that speeds & have to turn it down a notch, but overall given that it seems safe I should make it to 3.2Ghz (Note I will be getting the G0 Stepping Q6600) The case I've set my heart on is the Antec 900 case, I have seen the 9700 except as you see I was wary about the 9500 fitting on the motherboard so the 9700 being about 20% bigger seemed almost like "No way" it made me more unsure, so I was going with the "safer" option... I'm still very open to getting another HSF given that it fits on the MoBo, In the case (Antec 900) & offers good cooling, I've looked at the Tuniq Tower & Thermalright ultra, both look good alternatives, if I had to choose 1 of the 2 then the Thermalright Ultra. Looks like it weighs a ton though! :D

I'd say the chances are I can't be patient enough to wait for Penryn, I hadn't much intention to build a new comp yet, but the update bug just hits & now I'm getting more impatient, so it's like "I can settle with what is out, they'll always be new release around the corner"

Thanks for both of your inputs, been very helpful so far, and put my mind to rest on somethings!
 
Q6600. :)

if you clock it to 3.0ghz stock voltcore you are at 1333Mhz FSB aswell :P with 2 cores more then the E6850. Doesn't that sound better? :D more and more new games and programs are able to use quad core which would give the quad core another advantage! And there is only more to come. More futureproof!
 
Tripnologist said:
It actually doesn't weight too much. I have one on my IP35 Pro and it's perfectly fine.
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You have just sold me! ;) Thermalright Ultra it is... Anyone use this in an Antec 900 case, I assume it'll be a fit for it but it's better to put mind at rest for when ordering the parts. I think it were the Thermalright Ultra 120 that I read some had abit of an uneven surface which caused some problems? What's the story?

Q6600. :)

if you clock it to 3.0ghz stock voltcore you are at 1333Mhz FSB aswell :P with 2 cores more then the E6850. Doesn't that sound better? :D more and more new games and programs are able to use quad core which would give the quad core another advantage! And there is only more to come. More futureproof!
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It's the majority vote, I do already have some reasons to use Quad, since I have Supreme Commander, I use Photoshop & Maya + a few other things that can benefit from Quad, 1 of my main reservations was if there is enough out there that benefit from quad over Dual to actually justify the need yet, but Multithreaded apps seem to be becoming more mainstream with single core being phased out over time, & with Quad core a lot more seem to be using it which will perhaps serve me better in the long run.

It would seem I have my choice of Processor now, I will be going for the Q6600... Thanks for all your input, persuasive people! ;)
 
Yes the Thermalright Ultra will fit in that case. Its a bit tricky to put on the fan on after though, if you are leaving the motherboard in the case while doing it.
 
dC2006 said:
Yes the Thermalright Ultra will fit in that case. Its a bit tricky to put on the fan on after though, if you are leaving the motherboard in the case while doing it.
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Seems a common thing for good HSF to be difficult to fit eitherway! ;) Thanks for putting that part of my mind at rest, I had seem that others had used it on that motherboard, looked for others who had used it in the Antec 900, anyway parts are ordered now... Final Spec

Intel C2Q Q6600 G0 SLACR S775
Abit IP-35 Pro
ThermalRight Ultra 120 eXtreme (Already have 120mm fans)
Antec 900 Case
4GB (4x1GB) GeIL DDR2 RAM (4-4-4-12)
Creative X-Fi Gamer Soundcard
Leadtek 8800GT (I'm probably gonna overclock that too)
2x Seagate 500GB HDD (I already have 1 I'm going to reuse, only had it a few month)

Those are main components, Have PSU (700w sitting around, I have such abysmal luck in recent years with them well they are just sitting around, it was to accomodate future need if necessary, Those GPU's aren't half power hungry nowadays) I'm shoving in a 20x LiteON DVD-RW I have sitting around, that's pretty much the final specs... I'll be dual booting Windows XP & Vista x64 on it. Again to all that put in a comment thanks, it helped me make my decision to which I hopefully won't be dissapointed!
 
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