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Early GTX 460 benchmarks & info...

RavenXXX2 said:
Simple fact is fermi is overpriced, they are sitting on the shelves being reduced in price every so often, they are now throwing just cause 2 in with them to try and shift a few, if they were selling they would not be going down in price and etailers having just cause 2 thrown at them to help shift em lol.
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You might want to search newegg for HD5850 and HD5870. If you do, you'll notice many of the cards are now throwing in a game, at a lower price, and have a rebate.

So by your logic above, they must not be selling well and newegg needs to shift them, right?
 
even if it is selling it does not prove it is better, it just proves that site is selling more. popular != best at all. Just means most popular. percieved worth is just percieved and can be totally divorced from reality of quality or value for money.
 
Andric said:
even if it is selling it does not prove it is better, it just proves that site is selling more. popular != best at all. Just means most popular. percieved worth is just percieved and can be totally divorced from reality of quality or value for money.
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I'm not trying to say they're "better", I'm trying to say to Raven that NVIDIA's pricing hasn't put people off buying them.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
You might want to search newegg for HD5850 and HD5870. If you do, you'll notice many of the cards are now throwing in a game, at a lower price, and have a rebate.

So by your logic above, they must not be selling well and newegg needs to shift them, right?
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Hi Jethro. :)

Genuine question here. When you test hardware, do you make a comparison with ATI equivalent cards?
A seemingly common viewpoint I have picked up on having looked at various forums and the net generally, seems to say that for performance nvidia are superior and for image quality ATI are better. I'd be interested to read your opinions about that.
Also do you think it's ATI drivers that are the issue or rather the hardware? Myself, I haven't had any major issues with the drivers but in comparison to nvidia's, they do seem to attract more criticism. (Maybe a slight by-product of releasing monthly drivers).

Thanks. :)
 
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arc@css said:
Hi Jethro. :)

Genuine question here. When you test hardware, do you make a comparison with ATI equivalent cards?
A seemingly common viewpoint I have picked up on having looked at various forums and the net generally, seems to say that for performance nvidia are superior and for image quality ATI are better. I'd be interested to read your opinions about that.
Also do you think it's ATI drivers that are the issue or rather the hardware? Myself, I haven't had any major issues with the drivers but in comparison to nvidia's, they do seem to attract more criticism. (Maybe a slight by-product of releasing monthly drivers).

Thanks. :)
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I don't do head to head comparisons. For example, I spent two weeks with the 3d surround drivers playing games and reporting my experiences before it launched, but I didn't compare it to Eye Finity. (which I've only used at trade shows)

I think you'd be hardpressed to find IQ differences between ATi and NVIDIA unless you're getting into supersampling methods, and stereoscopic.

IMO each brand has it's strengths and weaknesses and both offer excellent products.

I pretty much have stopped benchmarking because people assumed my benches were rigged as I got the hardware free from NVIDIA, but paid for my ATi hardware. In reality, I used to check my benches against several review sites to make sure I was in the ball park- not like I do this for a living and I didn't want to provide any bad info.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Thanks for the link, it proves what I'm saying. The 470/480s are up to 5.8% of the DX11 cards in three months of sales, that's not bad when you consider they cost $359 and $499 for most of that three months, and a lot of the people who wanted a DX11 card bought ATi card in the 9 months prior to their launch.
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hmm, so AMD have over 16 times as many dx11 cards being used according to steam........... yet haven't been out 16 times as long and both companies will sell the large bulk of cards in the first 2-3 months after launch.

5.8% is incredibly, incredibly bad, even more so because the numbers will be slightly offset as lower end cards come out, except a 465gtx offers midrange performance because its so heavily cut down, and people really don't buy the ultra low end massive % of sales cards, to play games because they are embarassingly bad at gaming. AMD's 80 shader cards, and Nvidia's GT310 won't even play CS:S nicely, so Nvidia's very low end won't change the numbers that much.

As for games, and rebates, America has rebates on cards, they have them at launch, and they include games at launch, the fact they still have the same rebates and games as they offered at launch, despite the actual prices INCREASING, doesn't support the theory that AMD are looking for sales badly.

Nvidia have dropped prices, significantly, and they've been staying on shelves everywhere without a real sign of heavy sales. AMD cards were sold out world wide for months and months, and months and months. Nvidia cards sold the main bulk they were going to sell in the first few weeks and they've been sat on shelves barely selling for quite a while now.
 
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