EBD ban.

No, i know it's not only RBR, but their development of it is probably further than the other teams. I hope it brings the rest of the field back into some sort of competition. Whilst I marvel at the technical excellence, I want a fight back on between RBR, Mc, Fer and perhaps Merc. I'd even like to see Lotus having a shot. We all know that they can make great racing cars.

I don't think any of us would disagree with wanting a much closer battle
 
They are only likely further due to the efficiency of the Renault engine, rather than anything else. They also have lots of other trick parts, I will be shocked if they don't maintain a lead.
 
could it be that rather than mclaren and ferrari getting closer to rbr, rbr are fading out their blown diffuser to get used to it and try to get back their speed in other ways?

rather than just using it fully then completely stopping it?

i still think they will be the fastest car just by not much.
 
Nice to see they went with my Idea to exit the exhausts outside the bodywork rather than the Diffuser ;) Although from the way that article reads, they're suggesting that this will only be in place in the 2012 rules??

I wonder if this will effect Renaults car?
 
TaKeN said:
Nice to see they went with my Idea to exit the exhausts outside the bodywork rather than the Diffuser ;) Although from the way that article reads, they're suggesting that this will only be in place in the 2012 rules??

I wonder if this will effect Renaults car?
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Yep thats for next season.
 
Shimmy said:
EBD ban officially finalised.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/92374

Should effect RBR's rake angle if nothing else (as much).
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should be interesting, RB rake angle and flexi wing will reduce in effectiveness, especially in qualifying.

RB will still get some effect from the cold air, however I believe they have stated 10% max throttle unless demanded by the driver, presumably that means the butterfly valve.
Actually, thinking about it, the hot gas ban will make a huge difference alone, just calculate the volume of fuel when its burnt.

The RB 'DRS' advantage in quali will be much reduced as well, because they won't have the downforce and traction.
 
Things should start to get interesting in Silverstone as RBR may lose their edge.

Personally though, I doubt that this announcement will make much difference. I think RBR will still be the best car in qualifying (they have plenty of other tricks up their sleeves) and their race pace should be maintained. Right now, based on the last 2 races, they have the 3rd best race car, behind McLaren and Ferrari - I don't see that changing.
 
sunama said:
Things should start to get interesting in Silverstone as RBR may lose their edge.

Personally though, I doubt that this announcement will make much difference. I think RBR will still be the best car in qualifying (they have plenty of other tricks up their sleeves) and their race pace should be maintained. Right now, based on the last 2 races, they have the 3rd best race car, behind McLaren and Ferrari - I don't see that changing.
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Thats true, afterall before the EBD we were miles off the pace, i mean, look how we struggled against the Brwan DD. Took us a lifetime to catchup. Lets see what happens, afterall,nobody else is using the blown diff!
 
I personally think they should fix the rules for the season, with the exception of changes required for safety reasons. If one team are clever enough to get an advantage through interpretation and application of the rules, they deserve the advantage they get; let everyone else catch up, as it were.
 
Dabbles said:
I personally think they should fix the rules for the season, with the exception of changes required for safety reasons. If one team are clever enough to get an advantage through interpretation and application of the rules, they deserve the advantage they get; let everyone else catch up, as it were.
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Dabbles said:
I personally think they should fix the rules for the season, with the exception of changes required for safety reasons. If one team are clever enough to get an advantage through interpretation and application of the rules, they deserve the advantage they get; let everyone else catch up, as it were.
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Totally agree with this. F-duct, EBD etc are within the riles, so why ban this season. I think fiA makes a lot of designs on public opinion and championship points, they love an underdog, but once they cement their position, then fia suddenly pull something out.

Also agree with you csnut, really can't see this hurting you guys much at all.
 
CS||nuTs said:
Thats true, afterall before the EBD we were miles off the pace, i mean, look how we struggled against the Brwan DD. Took us a lifetime to catchup. Lets see what happens, afterall,nobody else is using the blown diff!
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Can you shed any light as to why it wasn't banned a few races ago when originally mooted?
 
AcidHell2 said:
Totally agree with this. F-duct, EBD etc are within the riles, so why ban this season. I think fiA makes a lot of designs on public opinion and championship points, they love an underdog, but once they cement their position, then fia suddenly pull something out.
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Just imagine the uproar if half way through the football season the FA banned 'step-overs' because the players of the top team were using them where no-one else had thought of them!?
 
Todge said:
Can you shed any light as to why it wasn't banned a few races ago when originally mooted?
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Yes of course i can, it was not in the shabby FIA's original rules for 2011. Its like saying to a football team half way through a season,if you score a own goal, we will give you 6 points. Make the rules for a season,stick to them. Its really not that difficult.

We have spent close to 200k for this very reason developing parts that negate the ban, FIA RRA in full effect.
 
I'm, not sure i get all the FIA conspiracy stuff tbh.

As far as I was aware this is more action being taken based on an existing rule IE moveable aero. How are the conspiracy theorists going to react if the top running order doesn't change one jot come Silverstone? RB still let everyone think they are doing well and then put in one storming lap for pole and then McLaren or Ferrari kind of start pegging them in the races.

If nothing changes then are the FIA now not only evil for trying to stop RB but stupid for failing? Or are they just honestly trying to stop something which they deem illegal and was illegal at the start of the season and its excessive use has only just become apparent to them?

If they were trying to stop RB then surely they would do something else. All the armchair experts seem to think RB will be fine with this change. Yet the FIA and Charlie Whiting which have so much experience are supposedly convinced that this will be RBs undoing? Lots of people seem to think that the RB DRS is one of the main reasons for the quali performance. If the FIA wanted to slow them down wouldn't them mandate a larger flap?
 
It hasn't just become apparent and how is it movable aero?

Tbh I don't think it's so much conspiracy, just utter incompetence and miss management. Their designs and punishments are never constant. How is EBD any different than f-duct. Bit use changeable air to disrupt/improve aero.
 
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Todge, it's the same kind of moving the goalposts that the banning of Renault's mass damper was. It's a bull-**** interpretation of the ban on moveable aerodynamic devices (so what the hell is the DRS then, chopped liver?!).

By all means ban EBDs completely for 2012 on the grounds of wanting to ban EBDs rather than because you think you can make a bizarre case for them being moveable aero devices. But this in-season limitation that they've come out with (plus their reasons for banning the EBD next year) just don't sit right with a lot of people I've talked to.
 
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