Ebola scaremongering?

asim18 said:
There's evidence that ebola is being used by propagandist organisations .
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Not half as much as it is being used by idiots to promote racism and news organisations to promote sales.

The medical teams teams are there for two reasons:

1) Western government panic about the disease spreading promoted by idiot news organisations. The governments are pretty well informed and know the risk is tiny, but they have to be seen to be "doing something".
2) Surprise, but doctors believe in treating sick people. Even in this day and age there is still some altruism about which hasn't been bought out by big corporations.
 
Uhtred said:
That is shocking. In these countries suffering ebola 1,751 people are dying every day of malaria, AIDS, diarrhoea and tuberculosis. Ebola is 13 a day. The only reason this is in the news is because it can spread to the Western world and we can't vaccinate against it.
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Why's that shocking, something being treated that could wipe out millions vs something that can't.
 
The thing to remember is that Ebola is killing the medical staff in those countries, which makes things even worse for everything else. Yeah tons more people die from other stuff at the moment, but Ebola has the potential to kill a lot more per day if just left to it's own devices. This is very much about nipping it in the bud to ensure the already very poor medial services in these countries don't collapse completely, minimising the economic effects of quarrintines etc, and ultimately preventing the collapse of social order if things get really bad if estimates of deaths reach 100,000s by the end of the year come true.
 
Uhtred said:
That is shocking. In these countries suffering ebola 1,751 people are dying every day of malaria, AIDS, diarrhoea and tuberculosis. Ebola is 13 a day. The only reason this is in the news is because it can spread to the Western world and we can't vaccinate against it.
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No, it's more because that '13 a day' figure is doubling every few weeks with no end in sight. The ebola fear is its potential, not its impact today. Comparisons with existing, understood, stable afflictions are misplaced.

Here's a recent documentary from Liberia that shows what it's like on the ground:

The WHO now tells us Ebola is "entrenched in the capitals of the worst-affected states - Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone" which I interpret as meaning pretty much everyone will end up being exposed and unless an effective treatment/vaccine becomes available soon we can expect hundreds of thousands, even millions of deaths in the region. That would also imply collapse of the nation states.

Before that point we can expect a lot more infected people escaping or fleeing to other parts of Africa, middle east and beyond.

This article on the US DoD website was interesting: http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=123359
 
Western hospitals are going to have to get MUCH better at dealing with this. Both in Spain and Texas now heath care workers operating within hospitals have managed to get themselves infected. In a few weeks/months we could have tens of cases in western hospitals - the staff need to be able to work safely.

Also interesting to see this report from April: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26941698
Would have been a lot easier to deal with it then, but I guess 'we' just couldn't be bothered.
 
OldCoals said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29590832

Why allow the risk?
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It'll be alright, we'll all die of ebola and the governments will be like "We've going to put measures in place in case this happens again..." like they do with everything else.


asim18 said:
This.

Those medics that were sent to bring back ebola had absolutely no idea what they were actually mobilised for.

Just like those soldiers who went looking for WMDs had absolutely no idea they were mobilised on the lies of their own leaders.
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I dont get though how they dont quarantine the country of origin until proper measures in place to make sure it doesnt getting spread all over the world.

Damn, its like I'm playing Plague Inc...
 
To gauge how unprepared we are, a feverish man walked into Lewisham hospital on Friday saying that he suspected he had Ebola.

None of the health staff wanted to treat him, the hospital ward refused to take him, he was allowed visitors and even more shocking, allowed to use a communal toilet!

In the end he didn't have Ebola, but this kind of incompetence is exactly what could cause a disaster in this country.
 
robfosters said:
To gauge how unprepared we are, a feverish man walked into Lewisham hospital on Friday saying that he suspected he had Ebola.

None of the health staff wanted to treat him, the hospital ward refused to take him, he was allowed visitors and even more shocking, allowed to use a communal toilet!

In the end he didn't have Ebola, but this kind of incompetence is exactly what could cause a disaster in this country.
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But remember, Ebola isn't a threat to western nations because we're organised and prepared, and it's not that contagious anyway /sarcasm.
 
robfosters said:
To gauge how unprepared we are, a feverish man walked into Lewisham hospital on Friday saying that he suspected he had Ebola.

None of the health staff wanted to treat him, the hospital ward refused to take him, he was allowed visitors and even more shocking, allowed to use a communal toilet!

In the end he didn't have Ebola, but this kind of incompetence is exactly what could cause a disaster in this country.
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Meanwhile they've been doing emergency drills racing big emergency vehicles up and down the main road here, etc. mocking up a scenario of responding to a house with a suspect ebola patient... while if one turned up at ER half the town would likely go down with it before much time had past.
 
Craterloads said:
Seems there have been dozens of ebola outbreaks in the past 40 years or so which have been contained without massive losses in the scope of things.

So perhaps the threat is being played up a little by the press or given freedom movement today its significantly harder to contain. Probably a bit of both, but I guess the solution to the problem is there.
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its more this time it's happened in much larger population groups and containment is hard when the locals raid the hospital let out the quarantined and then steal the bedsheets contaminated with infected blood and fluids.
 
This outbreak is totally different from all previous outbreaks as, for the first time it has become entrenched in large urban centres with very poor medical facilities.
 
So there have been around 8k cases in the world to date over the course of months then the WHO say by the end of the year there will be 10k more per month?

Lol much, talk about ******* scaremongering and they are auplosed to be a responsible body!
 
No1newts said:
So there have been around 8k cases in the world to date over the course of months then the WHO say by the end of the year there will be 10k more per month?

Lol much, talk about ******* scaremongering and they are auplosed to be a responsible body!
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I don't think it is scaremongering.

If you look at the curve of the numbers and how it increases with time, it will get to a point where it just explodes because there is that 8-10 days incubation period.
 
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