EK DCP 4.0 Alternative?

I was told EK are a bit flaky with their deliveries, they send lots of small groups, not everything at once.
they might ask for it to be put in together, they said they'd try for the pieces I'm asking for But I'm in no real rush
 
<Insert Flaky deliveries and Royal Mail joke here>

I threw a webnote thing, hopefully I hear something. I am not really in a DYING rush, but I want to get this build started, my new case is begging to be filled.
 
Ok if i may help here:)

If I may offer an opinion

Ek and Phobya for that matter do not manufacture their own pumps, essentially they are a re-brand of another called Jingway

http://www.jingway.com.tw/

I understand EK's liquid coolants are a re-brand of the aforementioned company.

I could be wrong, but i am fairly sure that is the case.

Coolants I always recommend first and foremost is Mayhem's as the R&D is second-to-none and then Primochill (i like both companies products)

as for pumps if your budget allows, stick with Liang or the rebranded Swiftech.

Kindest Regards

Frost Dragon
 
Best to ask, can't hurt.

I'm the opposite, case's delayed and I've frankensteining the old one with what can fit :p

Edit: Frost is right, they are jingway.
also I second the rest of his opinion, I just bought a d5 about 30 mins ago :p
 
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Would put more money towards the pump, but I need a new mouse (dodgy left click again(that competitive FPSing and DotA2 yo)) and my WD Greens are all failing one by one, so I need a new storage drive...

Urgh, I hate you guys. Alright spec me the best d5/laing you got, I'll see if I can stand up and pull something out of my rear end. Best being reasonably priced.
 
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tbh a bigger pump wont give better temps unless the pump is already struggling. Closest thing to a 4.0 would be a 18w DDC, slightly less flow slightly more head. Their price tag seems too close to a D5 though.

ALL the Vario D5's are the same, grab the cheapest with an EK pump top and that's the best d5 combo.
 
For me its the lack of head pressure. DDC's offer far more, allowing larger volumes of water to be moved in particularly long loops. More head is also important for loops with high restriction, whether due to a large number of high flow blocks or just a few high restriction blocks. More head pressure helps prevents the flow from dropping drastically when you add enough restrictions to the loop, though any flow will drop to nil regardless with enough restrictions.

It is difficult predict the head needed or the resultant flow rate due to a few unknowns which vary greatly (stuff like viscosity of different coolants, friction, restrictions caused by changes in ID of the loop) but tbh there is little need to work out the flow rate, as long as the resultant is enough to keep temps uniform, its all fine. The equations are useful for generalized decisions making though.

eg.

In a situation where you want to have several pumps for a particularly big multi block loop, and you are trying to work out the best combination. Multiple blocks in large loops where there is bigger volumes of water requires more head pressure to operate. Many people assume D5's to be the best choice and would put them in serial as parallel pumps/loops are no longer fashionable in the watercooling world!

Serial pumps add flow rates and keep the same head pressure, while parallel is visa versa (the numbers are a little less than the sum in the real world, but that irrelevant). D5's sport the highest flow with moderate head, while DDC's have it the other way round, with the DCP 4.0 pump in the middle.

So with two pumps:

For D5
Serial: same moderate head, huge amount of flow. In smaller loops and high flow loops, they will have the fastest flow rate resulting. In large loops with high restrictions, the pressure may drop far enough to prevent the water from moving much at all. This is due to pressure drop being directly proportional to the square of the flow. These super high flow set ups will find the pressure drop massively (not an issue for smaller loops as the resultant flow is enough)

Parallel: In small loops for D5's you will see no performance change going parallel over serial due to the pumps having a large enough flow by itself to keep the loop temps uniform. Larger loops benefit from parallel D5's as their moderate head almost doubles while flow rate is the same as a single pump, which is more than enough to keep temperatures uniform. The pressure drop would be almost four (remember that drop is proportional to square of the flow) times less compared with the serial looped pumps. The doubled head would easily handle larger external loops with restrictive blocks and large volumes of water, while the naturally high flow rate of a single D5 will be enough to keep temps fine.

For DDC's and DCP's its the reverse. I said that the 4.0 is in between the DDC and D5's in spec but the truth is that there is little benefit to having more flow rate than needed to keep temps uniform and that watercooling pumps actually have a fairly impressive amount of flow but a huge amount of head, so as a result the 4.0 shares similar advantages with the DDC when in series compare to parallel.

In series these pumps flow rate, which is lacking compared to the D5, almost doubles. The increased flow rate is no where near as high as series D5's and the head of a single one is enough to push large amounts water in big loops even with the new almost doubled flow rate.

In parallel these pumps tend to struggle in large loops or small loops with many blocks. The water will be pushed around even if you were to have 6 meters of tubing go vertically straight up in the air! Sounds impressive but the resultant flow of these pumps in parallel may end up being low enough that temperatures are not uniform. High head means little if you have low flow in the loop due to multiple blocks.

The above is a fairly extreme example, as you can only see the real life performance difference in terms of temp differences, when the loops are huge or have a lot of restrictions. It does however highlight that high flow moderate head pump should be in parallel, while DCC's which have it the other way round, should be in serial. In smaller normal loops, the temperature difference between serial and parallel and between DDC's, DCP's and D5's, no matter how many you have, is negligible.
 
Afternoon gents.

I have been looking all morning, and scratching my beard at these 3, I am ASSUMING they are the same pumps with different looks/tops?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-047-AC&tool=3
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-517-EK&groupid=962&catid=2141&subcat=2142
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-443-EK&groupid=962&catid=2141&subcat=2142

I am also assuming a good D5 purchase would be maybe this;

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-408-EK&groupid=962&catid=2141&subcat=2142



I kinda like the two with the threaded ports more due to more options, than the other two which force you to use only barbs, another reason why I was looking at the EK DCP 4.0 before.

Perhaps I should specify, I am only going for a CPU block and 360 rad, no graphics cooling at least for now.
 
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