Electric socket wiring

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I have this double socket with 3 wires connected to each terminal:
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I want to move it from where it is (about 20cm from the floor) to halfway up the wall so it'll be behind my wall-mounted tv. The cables to it at the moment are routed under the floor and there isnt enough slack to reach where I want.

If I get a length of cable to reach from the current socket location to the new location, how do I join it? I suppose I could just use terminal block but is there some kind of junction box that will join 4 x 3core cables together?
 
touch said:
I have this double socket with 3 wires connected to each terminal:


I want to move it from where it is (about 20cm from the floor) to halfway up the wall so it'll be behind my wall-mounted tv. The cables to it at the moment are routed under the floor and there isnt enough slack to reach where I want.

If I get a length of cable to reach from the current socket location to the new location, how do I join it? I suppose I could just use terminal block but is there some kind of junction box that will join 4 x 3core cables together?
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just a terminal junction box will be fine. or you could cut cable under floor, juntion box and run a spur up behind the tv, leaving that socket in place. just dont spur off that socket as it has been spurred off already.
 
I'd use wago connectors rather than terminal block if you going to dump it somewhere in accessible like under the floor as terminal blocks have a nasty habit of working loose over time!
 
joelk2 said:
just a terminal junction box will be fine. or you could cut cable under floor, juntion box and run a spur up behind the tv, leaving that socket in place. just dont spur off that socket as it has been spurred off already.
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Ok, I see. This socket is probably the closest to the consumer unit so are the 3 connections likely to be a main supply from the unit and a ring/spur in each direction?
So I need to figure out which connections are for the spur and connect the new socket inline with one of them?

a1ex2001 said:
I'd use wago connectors rather than terminal block if you going to dump it somewhere in accessible like under the floor as terminal blocks have a nasty habit of working loose over time!
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Yep, once this socket is removed i'm going to plaster over it so any connections I make here will be difficult to change later.
 
touch said:
Ok, I see. This socket is probably the closest to the consumer unit so are the 3 connections likely to be a main supply from the unit and a ring/spur in each direction?
So I need to figure out which connections are for the spur and connect the new socket inline with one of them?
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no i wouldnt have thought so,

ring in, ring out and a spur to another plug etc. does the wall back onto another room/hallway ets? could be another socket behind, any other electrics in close proximity? fire etc.

if you want to spur off the ring you just need to work out which of the 3 wires is one from the ring (66.6% chance of getting it right)

from the description it looks as if you can access under the floor so look which wire goes to the consumer unit and then another which goes onto the next plug socket. a spurred plug would only have 1 cable going in.

wagos are good though yeah.
 
I'd suggest keeping that socket and extending the ring main to the new socket above.

It looks like a stud wall, so hopefully wouldn't be much of a hassle to run the cables.

Bear in mind that the reg's say that all connections/junction boxes should be readily accessible, hence keeping the socket means accessible connections.
 
if you are plastering it then you must use a connector that does NOT require a tool to remove ie connector block so wagos will be fine if plastering over, not ideal but you will in the law then.
 
I know the regs are open to interpretation and everyone has their own opinion :)

reg 526.3

Every connection shall be accessible for inspection, testing and maintenance, exept for the following:
(i) a joint designed to be buried in the ground
(ii) a compound filled joint
(iii) heating elements
(iv) joint made by welding, soldering, brazing or compression tool
(v) joint made part of the equipment
(vi) Equipment complying with BS5733 for a maintenance free accessory


*EDIT* the Wago 222 series have the BS5733 standard and ARE classed as "maintenance free" joints. This must be a newish development with Amd 3, because the last time i checked Wago were still waiting on the "maintenance free" standard. Good news for common sense.
 
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Surely what you have at the moment is a socket which has another socket spurred off it somewhere, hence the third connection to each terminal. You're not meant to have more than one socket spurred, not without a fused spur anyway. Therefore I don't think you can just put a junction box in there and run a second spur to the tv above as I believe that wouldn't be in regs.
 
Crimp and extend, then board over. Leave the back box in.

Edit: Proper crimps, not with one of those pound land tools.
 
thenewoc said:
Surely what you have at the moment is a socket which has another socket spurred off it somewhere, hence the third connection to each terminal. You're not meant to have more than one socket spurred, not without a fused spur anyway. Therefore I don't think you can just put a junction box in there and run a second spur to the tv above as I believe that wouldn't be in regs.
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This is what I was going to say, you can't spur off that without a FCU.
 
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