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End of socket AM4

joedeath332 said:
This is what i am thinking , though personally i don't think i'll get the 9900k as its just to expensive , so i'm torn between i5-9500k , i7-9700k , i7-8700k , or would i be better of getting the i7-9700KF ( do these overclock better that the 9700K ?? , as i will be overclocking the cpu )
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'Could' wait for the 9900KS to drop to see if this lowers 9900k prices but the KS's will drop from the back of a rocking horse. So probably wont see a big change in prices.

As for 9900k being quickest, at 720p and 1080p with a 2080ti = Yes quickest.

Any higher resolution than above, next to no difference or a lesser gfx card than the above again, next to no difference. If you already have an AM4 board, then to go intel you'll need to factor in the cost of a new MOBO and decent cooling option. Either get a 2nd hand 3000 series when they become more available or jump on 4000 series when it comes out.
 
Woodsta888 said:
'Could' wait for the 9900KS to drop to see if this lowers 9900k prices but the KS's will drop from the back of a rocking horse. So probably wont see a big change in prices.

As for 9900k being quickest, at 720p and 1080p with a 2080ti = Yes quickest.

Any higher resolution than above, next to no difference or a lesser gfx card than the above again, next to no difference. If you already have an AM4 board, then to go intel you'll need to factor in the cost of a new MOBO and decent cooling option. Either get a 2nd hand 3000 series when they become more available or jump on 4000 series when it comes out.
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my GPU is a 1080ti and i game using VR ( hp reverb - incoming ) , as for intel cooling my current cooler ( h100i ) will do the 1151 socket as well as it came with the adaptor plate.
 
Gigabyte just released the ABBA bios for the Ax370 Gaming 5, so first gen board, for the new 3000 series chips - that's excellent support in my book for an old board. Yes you are not guaranteed any bios support for new generation CPU's, but you get a lot more compatibility with AMD than you do with Intel BY FAR.
 
hominid said:
Gigabyte just released the ABBA bios for the Ax370 Gaming 5, so first gen board, for the new 3000 series chips - that's excellent support in my book for an old board. Yes you are not guaranteed any bios support for new generation CPU's, but you get a lot more compatibility with AMD than you do with Intel BY FAR.
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Yes, looks like my Asus b350 mboard is good for all the ryzen 3xxx cpus all the way up to the 3900x!
 
joedeath332 said:
I currently have an asus X470-f AM4 socket MB with a 2700X and am looking to upgrade and am undecided on amd or intel so i have a question if i was to stick with the AM4 socket and upgrade to say a 3800x will there be a next gen of release of chips from amd ( say 4***x series ) that will work with the AM4 socket or will the next gen of amd chips be on a new socket.
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Not sure if this is any use but there's someone on youtube showing iRacing, who went from a 2700x to 3800x (which is pretty much only 100Mhz faster than a 3700x) with a 1080Ti and looks like he gained quite a few fps, esp at the start of his test (Around 180fps on the 2700x to 230fps on 3800x)

Youtube link;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kxvPxIL1lk

It seems an awful lot of expenditure to swap over to Intel, when you already have an AM4 setup and would only require a CPU swap.
 
joedeath332 said:
My problem is that i mostly just use the PC for playing Sim games , with the main one being iRacing which unfortunately is single core dependant , and atm with my 2700x overclocked i am still getting frame drops in VR , ( GPU is a 1080ti ) , so i need to increase my HTz of my cpu. hense me thinking on going to intel again.
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I was playing iRacing in 2012, it was the same then, how the hell haven't they moved to multi-core......wow!
 
Bounce said:
I wouldn't bother buying AM4 only one more generation.

Id just wait until the new generation comes out personally.
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I don't understand this logic. The OP is looking for an upgrade now, and your advice is 'in two years AM4 will be EoL so don't bother'? Intel bring out a new 'generation' (read '+') every year, necessitating a new mobo and all. AMD are bringing out more AM4 chips this quarter, then again next year on the same socket, then finally something else in 2021.

Your advice is basically "You need/want an upgrade, but don't buy it this year... or next year... Wait another year after that, because 'new tech' may or may not be good then". You realise how nuts that is, right? By then, something else will be just around the corner too. The OP may as well upgrade now and then look again in 2-3 years anyway. I mean I can understand it to a degree. If someone was looking at Piledriver and Zen was in the works, sure - hang fire. I'm also contemplating skipping my intended 3950X and waiting for the 7nm+ 4xxx version, due to refinements in power, IPC and EUV lithography. I have an 8700K and can afford to wait for what is essentially a 'nice to have' upgrade. But skipping Ryzen 3000 and 4000 because New X comes later after that? Nah.
 
I’m in the same position on a 2700x and wishing to buy a 3 series chip. I would only be wanting a boost in single core speed and whilst the 3 series chips are better after looking at many benchmarks last night I might average 15% - 20% better. Not a single person on this forum would advise I swap a gpu for 15% improvement so there appears very little point in swapping out my 2700x unless I want more cores.
 
joedeath332 said:
My problem is that i mostly just use the PC for playing Sim games , with the main one being iRacing which unfortunately is single core dependant , and atm with my 2700x overclocked i am still getting frame drops in VR , ( GPU is a 1080ti ) , so i need to increase my HTz of my cpu. hense me thinking on going to intel again.
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The problem is you are not going to see any difference running a single core only game. Maybe build a system around a binned i3 7350K known to push well into the 5ghz range. You’d probably have to look on a hardcore overclocking forum for that kind of chip.
 
joedeath332 said:
So true, indeed, their engine is so so old.
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If you are targeting your build for a specific game (not something I would normally advise) then in your position I would advise the 9700K is best for you. You probably want to stay away from any kind of HT/SMT chip as what you will find is that the scheduler will often select a 'fake core' and then performance will drop. This will be especially true of poorly optimised games like iRacing.
 
MartinPrince said:
If you are targeting your build for a specific game (not something I would normally advise) then in your position I would advise the 9700K is best for you. You probably want to stay away from any kind of HT/SMT chip as what you will find is that the scheduler will often select a 'fake core' and then performance will drop. This will be especially true of poorly optimised games like iRacing.
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Why have one core idle when you can have 7 for 6 times the price at the same performance.
 
jigger said:
Why have one core idle when you can have 7 for 6 times the price at the same performance.
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Sorry but that does not quite make sense. The i3 7350K cost £150 and a 9700K costs £340 so the 9700K costs just over twice as much.

The major problem with the i3 7350K for @joedeath332 is that it has HT (2 core, 4 thread) and as I already stated for iRacing you should really disable HT. So once you've disabled HT you only have 2 cores to run the game and all other OS related things. While the game might be single threaded the OS most certainly isn't.

Also as I stated doing a build for just a single current game isn't really advisable and doesn't take into effect the future games that they might want to play that aren't primarily single threaded.
 
MartinPrince said:
Sorry but that does not quite make sense. The i3 7350K cost £150 and a 9700K costs £340 so the 9700K costs just over twice as much.

The major problem with the i3 7350K for @joedeath332 is that it has HT (2 core, 4 thread) and as I already stated for iRacing you should really disable HT. So once you've disabled HT you only have 2 cores to run the game and all other OS related things. While the game might be single threaded the OS most certainly isn't.

Also as I stated doing a build for just a single current game isn't really advisable and doesn't take into effect the future games that they might want to play that aren't primarily single threaded.
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A used 7350k is maybe worth 75 if it clocks well.
 
MartinPrince said:
@joedeath332 has already said he considered buying a 8700K, 9700K or 9500K so he is not looking at second hand or low budget CPU's. He is gaming on a 1080TI using VR so the last thing he wants to do is pair that with a dual core CPU, no matter if it can run at 5Gz.
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Yip I deffo want a 9700k min I would say, unless I Ofc skip the 9 series and wait for the 10th gen, as atm I have to buy a mb anyways,
Due to iRacing being single core dependant I'll need a cpu that will have a high clock speed, as well as having other cores to run windows, browsers, sim commander discord etc.
 
jigger said:
Might as well just drop in a 3800X or maybe a 3600X
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Not if he wants the best single thread performance he can get. I've built several systems around a 9700K and they've all done 5.1Ghz quite easily. As they don't have HT then they tend to overclock better than 9900K.

At those clock speeds if you're looking for the 'best' single core performance then that is the way to go right now though there is also a good case to wait to see what the Intel 10 core part brings, though as to when and how good that is or will be makes it more of a vague proposition.
 
joedeath332 said:
My problem is that i mostly just use the PC for playing Sim games , with the main one being iRacing which unfortunately is single core dependant , and atm with my 2700x overclocked i am still getting frame drops in VR , ( GPU is a 1080ti ) , so i need to increase my HTz of my cpu. hense me thinking on going to intel again.
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GEN 1 and 1+ have to contend against Infinity Fabric, thus the need for fast ram and tight timings. Ideally 3200 CL14 but with the 1080Ti, 3466 CL14 is better to keep minimums higher.

Your X470F would definitely be able to take Ryzen 4000. It's better than my X470 Prime Pro and this motherboard has 256Mb of ROM.
 
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