End of socket AM4

humbug · 4 Nov 2019 at 13:30

Psycho Sonny said:
were those tested before or after the BIOS updates that fixed all the issues with boost clocks?

On release, July.

Edit, for +£20 i would have got the X instead of the none X. its was +£50 when i bought mine, in July.

Aretak · 4 Nov 2019 at 13:47

Psycho Sonny said:
were those tested before or after the BIOS updates that fixed all the issues with boost clocks?

There was no BIOS update that caused any Zen 2 chip to maintain anything close to a 4.4GHz boost clock across all cores, and all the results I've seen put the post-update performance compared to pre-update within the margin of error range again across mixed workloads. The "fix" never seemed like anything more than something to placate those whinging about the fact that they weren't seeing an arbitrary number in HWiNFO, despite the performance being excellent already. Saying that you're getting "an extra 200MHz" simply seems disingenous when the reality is that you won't be getting close to that most of the time, and certainly not when the CPU is under heavier load.

TNA · 4 Nov 2019 at 13:59

Psycho Sonny said:
I have both trust me the 3600x is worth it. £20 for an extra 200mhz is cheap enough to pony up. Imo you would be mad at as little as £20 not to. Especially as you can't overclock amd

My CPU says otherwise

It is either a unicorn or the newer batches of CPU's clock better because I have no issues whatsoever using 4.4GHz on all cores and it runs at 1.275v meaning a lot less heat vs my stock profile

You can feel free to try and beat my Cinebench scores with your 3600X

Psycho Sonny · 4 Nov 2019 at 14:08

TNA said:
My CPU says otherwise

It is either a unicorn or the newer batches of CPU's clock better because I have no issues whatsoever using 4.4GHz on all cores and it runs at 1.275v meaning a lot less heat vs my stock profile

You can feel free to try and beat my Cinebench scores with your 3600X

I'll wait for my ln2 to arrive first.

Your post has zero bearing on 99.9% of people

TNA · 4 Nov 2019 at 14:10

Psycho Sonny said:
I'll wait for my ln2 to arrive first.

Your post has zero bearing on 99.9% of people

Lol

Journey · 4 Nov 2019 at 14:14

joedeath332 said:
Ps @Journey did the person that you upgraded for play I racing in VR do you know, and also did they use the pc for other games, thanks

His main use is iRacing (now) although he does play a few other games, I know he has a Vive not sure on the version as I was only tasked with sorting a cheap upgrade.

gpuerrilla · 4 Nov 2019 at 16:14

jigger said:
Yeah £20 between the 3600 and 3600X seems we’ll worth it. The difference between a 3700X and 3800X is £40 down from £80.

Psycho Sonny said:
I have both trust me the 3600x is worth it. £20 for an extra 200mhz is cheap enough to pony up. Imo you would be mad at as little as £20 not to. Especially as you can't overclock amd

Like mentioned recently, when I bought my 3600 the X was £40-50 more at the time and far easier decision if it was only £20. I certainly wouldnt say it was "well worth it" as AMD have these chips near to ceiling from the off.

Psycho Sonny · 4 Nov 2019 at 16:21

Th0nt said:
Like mentioned recently, when I bought my 3600 the X was £40-50 more at the time and far easier decision if it was only £20. I certainly wouldnt say it was "well worth it" as AMD have these chips near to ceiling from the off.

Exactly so the 3600 will only do 4.2 the 3600x will do 4.4 and that's its.

I have both and I have benched both. My 3600x is a lot faster. Well worth the £20. I actually paid £195 for my 3600x about 2 months ago.

Zeeflyboy · 4 Nov 2019 at 17:09

joedeath332 said:
I know I know I know, I hear what you are saying about the 3700x / 4700x, the single core power is just not enough for me in iRacing with the VR, as even with my 2700x clocked to 4.3 I'm still seeing 1 core max out in resource manager when playing iRacing.
Mind u if I did stick with AMD dropped in a 3700x or 3800x and overclocked it, what ram would I be best to get so that I could get the most speed out of the system.
Atm I have 16GB (2x8GB) Corsair DDR4 Vengeance LPX Black, PC4-24000 (3000), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 15-17-17-35, XMP 2.0, 1.35V

Hey, your money - you can do whatever you like at the end of the day, I'm not your wife lol.

Personally if I was in your position I'd probably go the 3600(x?) route for as mentioned about 80 quid maybe after selling your 2700x, then get the Zen 3 version when it comes out too... all in maybe £150-200 over the next year and you'll have maxed out the AM4 socket (well in terms of single core, there's always the option for a bigger chip like a theoretical 4950x), then once that doesn't do the job well enough anymore you can change to a whole new platform (be it intel or AMD) with DDR5 and PCIe5 to boot.

Your ram is fine imo - you would get a bit better performance by switching to some 3600mhz but I'm not convinced the gains would be worth it compared to the outlay.

joedeath332 · 4 Nov 2019 at 18:38

I've just googled a comparison between the 2700x and the 3600 with a 2080 ( my card is a 1080ti )
and tbh the difference is marginal according to that video
Is the video accurate ??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R5YxqzEsJs

joedeath332 · 4 Nov 2019 at 18:44

Zeeflyboy said:
Hey, your money - you can do whatever you like at the end of the day, I'm not your wife lol.

Personally if I was in your position I'd probably go the 3600(x?) route for as mentioned about 80 quid maybe after selling your 2700x, then get the Zen 3 version when it comes out too... all in maybe £150-200 over the next year and you'll have maxed out the AM4 socket (well in terms of single core, there's always the option for a bigger chip like a theoretical 4950x), then once that doesn't do the job well enough anymore you can change to a whole new platform (be it intel or AMD) with DDR5 and PCIe5 to boot.

Your ram is fine imo - you would get a bit better performance by switching to some 3600mhz but I'm not convinced the gains would be worth it compared to the outlay.

i'm tending to think ill maybe see if i can adjust the settings on the only game that i have probs with in VR and that is iRacing and get by until Zen 3 , saying i already have the MB and Ram.
Is there any idea when Zen 3 will hit the UK

Journey · 4 Nov 2019 at 18:47

joedeath332 said:
Is there any idea when Zen 3 will hit the UK

Best guess, July 2020, but probably not until September, so could be 10 months from now.

4K8KW10 · 4 Nov 2019 at 18:56

joedeath332 said:
I've just googled a comparison between the 2700x and the 3600 with a 2080 ( my card is a 1080ti )
and tbh the difference is marginal according to that video
Is the video accurate ??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R5YxqzEsJs

It's accurate. I hope the question is not because you are interested in "upgrading" from an 8-core to 6-core... I mean downgrading.

breathe3asy · 4 Nov 2019 at 19:16

Psycho Sonny said:
I have both trust me the 3600x is worth it. £20 for an extra 200mhz is cheap enough to pony up. Imo you would be mad at as little as £20 not to. Especially as you can't overclock amd

What?

Orange Nexus · 4 Nov 2019 at 19:39

joedeath332 said:
I've just googled a comparison between the 2700x and the 3600 with a 2080 ( my card is a 1080ti )
and tbh the difference is marginal according to that video
Is the video accurate ??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R5YxqzEsJs

I told you. I have both. Without looking at the fps, you won't see the difference. In your case, your RAM needs tuning in order to keep minimums higher. I suggest waiting for Ryzen 4000.

That is why i paired my FlareX B-die with the R7 2700 and the Ripjaw V C-die with the R5 3600.

Brazo · 4 Nov 2019 at 19:50

ceaton88 said:
What?

You can, of course you can but the gains are small. Taking CPU Queen benchmark in Aida64 as an example a bog standard 2700x nets me a score of 94k and me oc the **** of it nets me a score of 100k. Its a lot of effort and added heat for well not a lot. Its not that you cant oc AMD, its genuinely not worth it. Just set PBO to on and leave it at that.

breathe3asy · 4 Nov 2019 at 20:05

Have things changed with later models then? My 1600X 3.9GHz all core overclock runs better than stock 4.1GHz XFR.

I am a little out of date though so just looking into PBO and sorts now on the 3000 series chips

andy_mk3 · 4 Nov 2019 at 20:21

ceaton88 said:
Have things changed with later models then? My 1600X 3.9GHz all core overclock runs better than stock 4.1GHz XFR.

I am a little out of date though so just looking into PBO and sorts now on the 3000 series chips

My 3900x runs far better at 4.4Ghz all cores than it does with anything that PBO/XFR can manage, plus my OC runs a heck of a lot cooler. Tops out at about 71C, which for a 12c chip is amazing.

Zeeflyboy · 4 Nov 2019 at 20:26

joedeath332 said:
i'm tending to think ill maybe see if i can adjust the settings on the only game that i have probs with in VR and that is iRacing and get by until Zen 3 , saying i already have the MB and Ram.
Is there any idea when Zen 3 will hit the UK

That would certainly be a better choice imo if you can wait...

Personally I just don’t really see the value proposition of changing what is still a current platform at the moment unless you are really deeply unhappy with it. Zen3 will be a drop in upgrade and after that a platform change (be it to intel or AMD) will net you more in terms of DDR5, pcie 5.0 and no doubt better usb/networking spec etc.

TNA · 4 Nov 2019 at 20:27

andy_mk3 said:
My 3900x runs far better at 4.4Ghz all cores than it does with anything that PBO/XFR can manage, plus my OC runs a heck of a lot cooler. Tops out at about 71C, which for a 12c chip is amazing.

Like mine then. Even though I can go higher I find 4.4GHz to be the sweet spot between temps and performance. Might see if I can get 4.5GHz stable at under 1.3v at a later date though.