End of Windows XP support spells trouble for some

Life is about testing. So how is learning an OS any different? You learn to adapt.

Elevon said:
I mean the old Start menu has been around since Win95(so almost two decades),regardless I hope Microsoft brings out something new in Win9/Win10 and continue to try out new Start menus rather then going back to the old ways.

Ok, lets make wheels square then. Round wheels work well but we want a change. All those who don't like it must learn to adapt... :p

Can anyone recommend a a good but light on system resources Antivirus? Mcafee is crippling our machines.
Try Avast or Clamwin maybe?
 
Can anyone recommend a a good but light on system resources Antivirus? Mcafee is crippling our machines.


Are you on XP? If not then you might better starting a separate thread.

!Avast is pretty slow too. The Microsoft options on Vista/7/8.1 are light but they are a low level of protection. If you tweak the better AV's to reduce the performance hit, I wonder how much do you reduce the protection to the MS level.
 
Are you on XP? If not then you might better starting a separate thread.

!Avast is pretty slow too. The Microsoft options on Vista/7/8.1 are light but they are a low level of protection. If you tweak the better AV's to reduce the performance hit, I wonder how much do you reduce the protection to the MS level.

I don't find Avast heavy on resources, nowhere near as high as McAfee anyway.
 
I don't find Avast heavy on resources, nowhere near as high as McAfee anyway.

I meant on older machines. Early core 2 duo and 2~3GB of ram. 1.4~2 Ghz. A machine less than that I think is pretty much pointless and a junker.

I've switched from MS to Avast and the slowdown is noticeable. But its probably doing things the MS one didn't. I haven't got around to playing with the configuration.

Thread here suggests some things

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/511719/lightweight-antivirus/
 
Yes on XP, old office machines. We were using MS Security Essentials and it worked fine. Mcafee is murdering the CPU's. All at 100% most of the time.

I've started using Clamwin on XP machines. Works fine and doesn't have a large footprint either.

With Avast I do disable deep scan (because I've noticed issues) and I only install the File Scanner, Web Scanner and Mail scanner, not any of the added extras. I also turn off the annoying sounds, not that it impacts on performance...
 
Yes on XP, old office machines. We were using MS Security Essentials and it worked fine. Mcafee is murdering the CPU's. All at 100% most of the time.

That thread suggests Eset.

If they were XP machines I'd take them off the web, until you either upgrade the OS or replace the machine.
 
Generally you learn to do things better. Not worse.

In GUI that usually means making things more intuitive and using less clicks, less movement, less screens to do the same tasks. Its basic ergonomics, UX design.

As soon as you say the user has to learn and adapt for simple tasks its a bit of a failure. This is not flying the space shuttle.

It's all relative what's better for one person is worst for another,Linux is a good example of moving forward and trying out new things.

To be honest the old way or the new way is still very easy IMHO,btw if it takes you more then one or two clicks max for general use for Metro start then you are doing it wrong.
Anyway I do hope Microsoft keeps coming up with new ideas for the next generation of Start menus and don't give up.
 
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Ok, lets make wheels square then. Round wheels work well but we want a change. All those who don't like it must learn to adapt... :p


I think you miss the point of Metro start and hybrid OS ,regardless if we did not change or try to make progress we would still be on DOS let alone generations of Windows.

As I stated earlier I'm no fan of old Start menu or even Metro Start but even I expect changes and progress in operating systems,sure some may argue not for the better or hiccup or two but change is expected.
Lets hope those users can handle Win9 or 10 ,let alone square wheels as you put it,I'm fine with square wheels if they have anti-grav ;) .
 
No its not relative. More clicks is more clicks. Moving more, is moving more. Its the same general principle. No matter the interface, be it your head lights in a car, or the restart option on a phone.

In the same way its more clicks in Windows phone 8 to turn on and off your wifi than then Android. Or moving the shut down in Windows 8. They've fixed these things eventually. But the question remains. Who tested and released original in the state it was in. Taking more effort to do the same things. It points to a lack of testing, or someone making bad decisions.

Windows 8 is a nice OS, probably my favourite. But all these bad decisions in the original releases have given it terrible reputation, which has really devastated sales. That and the pricing.
 
I think you miss the point of Metro start and hybrid OS ,regardless if we did not change or try to make progress we would still be on DOS let alone generations of Windows.

As I stated earlier I'm no fan of old Start menu or even Metro Start but even I expect changes and progress in operating systems,sure some may argue not for the better or hiccup or two but change is expected.
Lets hope those users can handle Win9 or 10 ,let alone square wheels as you put it,I'm fine with square wheels if they have anti-grav ;) .

Its less a hybrid and more Windows 7.5 with a Application shell for running metro apps slapped on top. But I accept your point.

Likewise, for sure, making new stuff, you make mistakes and break things.

Windows 8 is a very reliable OS. Probably the best they've ever made. Take some real effort to turn that into the worst selling one ever.
 
From my experiences xp users are least likely to have installed windows updates. Whenever i came across a windows xp laptop over the years they rarely had sp4 installed or applied any updates.

So to think ending ms support is going to increase anything i am not too sure on that as it assumes that wnidows xp users installed the latest updates.
 
From my experiences xp users are least likely to have installed windows updates. Whenever i came across a windows xp laptop over the years they rarely had sp4 installed or applied any updates.

So to think ending ms support is going to increase anything i am not too sure on that as it assumes that wnidows xp users installed the latest updates.


Also a lot of XP PCs over the world have pirated version as well so not bothered about updates etc...I think XP is still the most pirated OS to date.

I think in China it was like 80% pirated.
 
No its not relative. More clicks is more clicks. Moving more, is moving more. Its the same general principle. No matter the interface, be it your head lights in a car, or the restart option on a phone.

In the same way its more clicks in Windows phone 8 to turn on and off your wifi than then Android. Or moving the shut down in Windows 8. They've fixed these things eventually. But the question remains. Who tested and released original in the state it was in. Taking more effort to do the same things. It points to a lack of testing, or someone making bad decisions.

Windows 8 is a nice OS, probably my favourite. But all these bad decisions in the original releases have given it terrible reputation, which has really devastated sales. That and the pricing.

I'm not going to get into an argument over a micro second mouse click or two ,however as I stated earlier I'm not a Metro Start fan myself but even I can see its going to take them time to come up with something more perfect that satisfies a lot of users,being a hybrid OS also makes it a bit more complicated due to the fact it has to cater for everything unlike Win7 and earlier operating systems which were just desktop operating systems.


It's also kind of ironic how easy operating systems are nowadays including Win8/8.1 but some people still want it even easier.
I think I've been on Linux too long since using any Windows I can do it in my sleep.

End of the day Microsoft have to decide what they will do with Win9,10 Start Menu wise,interesting times ahead.
 
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