England - The Aftermath

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So what do we all think?

I am bitterly disappointed in Tuchel. He was appointed exactly to solve the sort of situation we found ourselves in, and he blew it. He didn't have the answers and his response was to throw on more and more defenders which just killed us. Of course the players have to shoulder some of the blame too, but they would have looked to the manager and he froze.

Ultimately, we've not really been any better than under Southgate (including in qualification and friendlies), so what exactly is the point of him? Watching Argentina against Spain made it even worse, they are a bang average side who we could have faced up and beaten. What's all this stuff about "if we lose, we lose our way" - so his way is to park the bus and play 6 defenders...? He just seems like a fraud.

I can't read much into the France game as it's a totally different situation when the pressure is all but removed. I'd have more sympathy if he was a less experienced manager, but that's not the case. I know it's still technically our best result since 1966, but the manner of it was awful.

I suppose in an ideal world too, I'd also rather the manager was English - and I'd apply that logic to all teams really, except perhaps the really small nations.
 
Happy with Tuchel, the changes he made in earlier games totally changed the flow, for the better, and is what dragged England to a semi-final. Hopefully he stays on for the Euros and learns from the mistakes made in the Argentina game.
 
Furthest we've been since '66

Didn't the women's side win it with a German manager?
 
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He racked up 3 wins against opposition in the top 15, 1st time we've beaten a side that high in 22 years. Including beating a team above us in the rankings. Yeah he made mistakes, but French have had the strongest team/squad at 2 World cups running and not won it. Seems he was against impossible odds and a lot of the abuse he's given is becuase he's German. Maybe he can kick us on further at the euros but that'll be difficult as there no real quaility strikers coming through
 
Alright, so.......

When Kane retires, we're woefully short of quality replacements up top, without a dramatic formational change to a #-#-0 formation or changing the roles a few players play, where are goals coming from? We can't rely on Bellingham and Saka alone to carry the team through.

Defence is as shaky as ever, assuming Burn, Maguire, Stones won't feature at the next Euros, we're missing quality at CB.

We're still unable to control a match, as Tuchél stated, not something that appears to be coached or taught at U20 level
 
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Same as always, we get lucky with the teams we play and come unstuck as soon as we meet a decent side
Yeah this. Its been like this for the last 60 years. Aside from Tuchel dropping a clanger in the semi, we had an easy ride into it. We just don't have the quality of players to perform in international tournaments, the current crop aren't even as good as those in the past and there aren't a great deal of them coming through to offer much excitement either. Spain are obviously world champs so they are the yardstick to measure by but look how well they dealt with Argentina in the final and how comfortable they are keeping the ball then winning it back so quickly. England just can't or won't play like that.
 
England just can't or won't play like that.

I think as much as anything won't play like that.

Hopefully he stays on for the Euros and learns from the mistakes made in the Argentina game.

I'm on the fence on this, if he learns from it all well and good but it takes a lot of explaining how an experienced manager made a mistake of those proportions.
 
It took extra time for Spain to manage to unlock Argentina. We aren’t a bad side.

Trying to park the bus and let Messi have half an hour to come at us was dumb. That’s on Tuchel.

I’m not too concerned about Kane. Sure he scores, but he also starts every game…you’d expect him to. I’d happily see Watkins or Toney given a good run if Kane won’t make another WC. The team might work better in a different shape rather than fitting everything around him.
 
Alright, so.......

When Kane retires, we're woefully short of quality replacements up top, without a dramatic formational change to a #-#-0 formation or changing the roles a few players play, where are goals coming from? We can't rely on Bellingham and Saka alone to carry the team through.

Defence is as shaky as ever, assuming Burn, Maguire, Stones won't feature at the next Euros, we're missing quality at CB.

We're still unable to control a match, as Tuchél stated, not something that appears to be coached or taught at U20 level
You say this like Kane plays as a 9, he doesn't and hasn't for a while for England.
 
I just don't like the guy. They way he messed Kobe Mainoo about did not help matters. Would not miss him at all.
 
We’ve done well at youth level tournaments, right? So there must be some talent coming through that can develop in 4 years!
 
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