England: What went wrong? (serious discussion) **SPOILERS**

[Ripper]

Please dont ruin this thread.

For me:

- lampard didn't perform anywhere near the standard he did for chelsea

- obviously it wouldn't happen, but hargreaves should have been part of a 4 man midfield, and lennon should have been used more

- Needed to play two up top and stop worrying about Gerrard and lampard, as England havn't got a player who can play by himself upfront

- Beckham is past it and hopefully Mcclaren will show some balls and give lennon the right hand side role from now on

- Even if Ronaldo is a **** Rooney is still a kid and needs to grow up (coming from a utd season ticket holder)

I think steve has a lot of work on his hands. The team needs to be changed, we have a world class player in the shape of Lennon being used as a bit part sub. The defense is absolutely fantastic and the 4 of them played like heroes today, but things need to be seriously looked at ahead of them.

 

[Ripper]

As much as people rave about JT i think rio has been the best defender for us this tournament. But the both of them are world class and there's not many that come close. Ashley cole played really well again and Arsenal should try their best to hang onto him, and as much as people hate nevile there's no better player at RB for england.

Does that mean Rooney's out for the first 1/2 euro 08 qual games btw?