Epic £400 AMD Llano build check! ***With Extra Stars***

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sarge78

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How about this fellas, maybe faster memory for the A6? MSI Mobo good enough?

It's going to be a general home PC, so reliability is important and probably no overclocking.

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***There's a £15 el'cheapo mATX case coming + 64bit W7***

...or should I save a few pennies and get one of these :p
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-014-AC&groupid=43&catid=2038&subcat=1896

Cheers!
 
That is nice, as you say faster ram is useful for Llano as it directly affects the graphics performance.
 
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http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/403?vs=289

CPU Comparison - Looks like the core2 is better for day to day things but that quad is better for benching and going by the gaming results it seems coupled together the intel is better to.

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1 x Intel Core i3-2100 3.10GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail £89.99
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1 x MSI H67MA-E35 Intel H67 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Micro-ATX Motherboard - (Sandybridge) **B3 REVISION** £64.99
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1 x TP-Link 150Mbps Wireless PCI Express Adapter (TL-WN781ND) £9.98
Total : £381.90 (includes shipping : £10.00).



Stulid will tell me if I'm wrong so wait for him ;)
 
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ToejaMz0r said:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/403?vs=289

CPU Comparison

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i3-2100 3.10GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail £89.99
1 x Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-Bit - OEM (GFC-00599) £79.99
1 x MSI H67MA-E35 Intel H67 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Micro-ATX Motherboard - (Sandybridge) **B3 REVISION** £64.99
1 x Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM (HD103SJ) £40.99
1 x Corsair Builder Series CX 430W V2 ATX '80 Plus' Power Supply (CMPSU-430CXUKV2) £39.98
1 x Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX4GX3M2A1600C9) £27.98
1 x Sony Optiarc AD-5260S 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £15.98
1 x TP-Link 150Mbps Wireless PCI Express Adapter (TL-WN781ND) £9.98
Total : £381.90 (includes shipping : £10.00).



Stulid will tell me if I'm wrong so wait for him ;)
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Nothing wrong there, if the OP wants to do any gaming? then its at a disadvantage.

 
ToejaMz0r said:
That vid is of the a8 mate vs the i3, he's looking at getting the a6 :)
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Dont matter, the llano is much better, and the i3 you specced has HD2000 graphics, the i3 (in the vid, not i3 2100) has HD3000;)
 
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Good points but at the same time if you're planning on doing any kind of gaming then you'll not want to be playing on the absolute minimum because you'll have wished you got a little moar.. but 'general pc' and the games I'd think would be facebook/flash and maybe the odd little game.. otherwise youd want a discrete gpu.

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1 x Intel Core i3-2100 3.10GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail £89.99
1 x Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-Bit - OEM (GFC-00599) £79.99
1 x MSI H61M-P23 Intel H61 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard **B3 REVISION** £44.99
1 x Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM (HD103SJ) £40.99
1 x Corsair Builder Series CX 430W V2 ATX '80 Plus' Power Supply (CMPSU-430CXUKV2) £39.98
1 x Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX4GX3M2A1600C9) £27.98
1 x MSI GeForce N210 1024MB GDDR3 "Low Profile" PCI-Express Graphics Card £26.39
1 x Sony Optiarc AD-5260S 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £15.98
1 x TP-Link 150Mbps Wireless PCI Express Adapter (TL-WN781ND) £9.98
Total : £388.28 (includes shipping : £10.00).



£3.28 over budget total with the case (dependingn on how much you paid for your copy of win7 ;))
 
Llano allows you to play on more than the minimum, HD2000 level graphics allow you to do nothing as its awful.

The card you put in is much worse than llano level graphics, infact its awful too.

And the H61 motherboard doesnt have USB3.0 or SATA3.0
 
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Sin_Chase said:
"General Home Pc" does not equal gaming. Casual flash stuff at most maybe?

The integrated graphics is largely irrelevant.
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Guess we will see when the OP gets back, put General PC can mean anything;) A jack of all trades a master of none.;)
 
That'll be why I said wait for stulid.


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1 x AMD Llano A8-3850 2.90GHz (Socket FM1) APU Processor (AD3850WNGXBOX) with FREE DIRT3 PC Game £99.98
1 x Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-Bit - OEM (GFC-00599) £79.99
1 x MSI A75MA-G55 AMD Hudson D3 (Socket FM1) DDR3 Llano MIcro-ATX Motherboard £71.99
1 x Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM (HD103SJ) £40.99
1 x Cooler Master GX 450W '80 Plus' Power Supply £34.99
1 x Crucial Ballistix Sport 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-10666C9 1333MHz Dual Channel Kit (BL2KIT25664BA1339) £23.99
1 x Sony Optiarc AD-5260S 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £15.98
1 x TP-Link 150Mbps Wireless PCI Express Adapter (TL-WN781ND) £9.98
Total : £391.40 (includes shipping : £11.25).



Go for that then, mug someone for 7quid and you'll be reet

by the looks of things http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/403?vs=399 - cpu wise that cpu is only slightly better but from the reviews I can find, the gpu difference is much better for the slightly extra cost, which I saved some pennies by dropping the psu to a cooler master instead to keep within budget.

I'm very fast learning that to get any kind of rig thats worth the money, 400quid just isnt enough unless you're willing to waste money on a lesser machine for slightly moar
 
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Sin_Chase said:
"General Home Pc" does not equal gaming. Casual flash stuff at most maybe?

The integrated graphics is largely irrelevant.
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The two builds above (Intel and AMD) are about the same price, so why go for the one that can't do much 3D and is so so in HD video when the AMD option, which is as capable in "general use", and the same price?

With Windows 8 around the corner and increased use of 3D tricks in mainstream software, HTML5 and Open CL/GL its a no brainer for me.
 
ToejaMz0r said:
That'll be why I said wait for stulid.


YOUR BASKET
1 x AMD Llano A8-3850 2.90GHz (Socket FM1) APU Processor (AD3850WNGXBOX) with FREE DIRT3 PC Game £99.98
1 x Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-Bit - OEM (GFC-00599) £79.99
1 x MSI A75MA-G55 AMD Hudson D3 (Socket FM1) DDR3 Llano MIcro-ATX Motherboard £71.99
1 x Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM (HD103SJ) £40.99
1 x Cooler Master GX 450W '80 Plus' Power Supply £34.99
1 x Crucial Ballistix Sport 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-10666C9 1333MHz Dual Channel Kit (BL2KIT25664BA1339) £23.99
1 x Sony Optiarc AD-5260S 24x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £15.98
1 x TP-Link 150Mbps Wireless PCI Express Adapter (TL-WN781ND) £9.98
Total : £391.40 (includes shipping : £11.25).



Go for that then, mug someone for 7quid and you'll be reet

by the looks of things http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/403?vs=399 - cpu wise that cpu is only slightly better but from the reviews I can find, the gpu difference is much better for the slightly extra cost, which I saved some by dropping the psu to a cooler master instead.
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Needs at least 1600mhz ram, ram speed directly affects Llano graphics performance - http://www.anandtech.com/show/4476/amd-a83850-review/4
 
d_brennen said:
The two builds above (Intel and AMD) are about the same price, so why go for the one that can't do much 3D and is so so in HD video when the AMD option, which is as capable in "general use", and the same price?

With Windows 8 around the corner and increased use of 3D tricks in mainstream software, HTML5 and Open CL/GL its a no brainer for me.
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My response was towards persons debating which chip to go for based on Gaming prowess which is, largely irrelevant.
 
Largely irrelevant as in you can game on one (albeit at a relatively low res) and not at all on the other? For the same money? And general PC use won't expose synthetic CPU benchmark disparities nearly as starkly as when granddad fancies playing CoD for lulz :D
 
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Terrible Game Performance OR Bad performance at Low Res/Settings.

If it was going to be used for ANY kind of 3D intensive tasks it should have a cheap dedicated unit. It's as irrelevant as whether a CPU supports Virtualisation enhancements on a system which will never see a fully fledged 3D title started on it and for anything else (Be it Aero, Windows 8 gubbins, HD video or flash) both chips will do just fine.

Again - my response was aimed at the necessity for having good integrated 3D performance, not which represents more value for 'more' areas of possibility. £ for £ the AMD system is probably better suited and has some more 3D bang but the latter is not a requirement for general use.
 
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If the OP wants to play a game? or his kids want some Lego Pirates etc? then llano is the much better option.

Until he comes back to clear up what he expects out of this machine, then thats all that is irrelevant.
 
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