Errol Graham RIP

R.P.L said:
Do you think that far-left government prevents people from living in poverty?
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Obviously. The far-left supports reducing income equality, social support structures, increased taxes on high earners, more social programs and so on.

R.P.L said:
My point is that it's not that simple, and if you think that a move to the left couldn't cause poverty then you're mistaken. I don't personally have much faith in any politicians these days, but I'll never endorse socialism.
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Do you support the NHS? The Police? Fire Service? Public Schools? Public roads? HSE? Public parks? FSA? Royal Mint? MoD? Courts?

If so then you endorse, at the very least limited socialism (the Nordic model).
 
jsmoke said:
But do you know the full story, I'm assuming he's broken many DWP rules so what can they do, they're not running a charity.
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I'm guessing that you aren't talking about Charles Dickens here ;)

As to Errol Graham, yeah it would be so much better if people with severe mental issues didn't have them . . . meanwhile . . .
 
Its quite funny that his benefits were 'cut' by a right wing government and the righters are saying the left is no better. He had his benefits cut. The benefits he was getting before the new rules came in. It was literally the fault of this right wing government that his benefits were cut.

jsmoke said:
But do you know the full story, I'm assuming he's broken many DWP rules so what can they do, they're not running a charity.
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No, they are running a charity. What you meant to say was a bottomless pit charity and even then its still not the point.

I know that some people are against poor people getting benefits but the system is meant to look after those that cant help themself. This should definitely have been the case here and they failed him because of the desire to get people off benefits anyway possible. The easier the better.

This is someone that starved themself to death. Can you imagine how hard that must be to do?
 
Tony Edwards said:
Its quite funny that his benefits were 'cut' by a right wing government and the righters are saying the left is no better. He had his benefits cut. The benefits he was getting before the new rules came in. It was literally the fault of this right wing government that his benefits were cut.
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His benefits were not "Cut" He lost them because he didn't turn up to claim them.

(It is not unreasonable that those claiming benefits should be reassessed from time to time after all)

Now, as to why he failed to turn up to claim them, and whether somebody should have tried to find out why he didn't (Like friends/family/GP/Mental health worker/whatever ) is another issue.

But It is not Tescos fault that I starved to death because I never went shopping.
 
Raikiri said:
Obviously. The far-left supports reducing income equality, social support structures, increased taxes on high earners, more social programs and so on.



Do you support the NHS? The Police? Fire Service? Public Schools? Public roads? HSE? Public parks? FSA? Royal Mint? MoD? Courts?

If so then you endorse, at the very least limited socialism (the Nordic model).
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Of course there's a balance to be struck. Socialism doesn't prevent poverty though. There are plenty of historical examples to prove that.
 
'The spiral towards losing his benefits began on August 31 2017, when he failed to attend a fit-for-work test for his ESA.

The DWP sent Mr Graham reminders in September and October 2017 asking why he did not attend - but had no reply. Benefit officers then carried out two "safeguarding visits" at his home on 16 October and 17 October - again with no reply.'


How is this the DWP's fault or the government's fault? There have to be systems and procedures in place to handle benefit claims and it looks pretty reasonable to me the actions that they carried out. They can't just keep giving handouts without at least a little cooporation. What can you really expect them to have done???

It is NOT the responsibility of the DWP or the government to run people's lives for them.

If you want to be woke and place blame/responsibility then perhaps you should look at the individuals themselves and their friends and families.

The same people always so quick to blame the government for anything and everything. When will people realise that whether you like it or not you are responsible for your own life not the government.
 
Stumble Bum said:
'The spiral towards losing his benefits began on August 31 2017, when he failed to attend a fit-for-work test for his ESA.

The DWP sent Mr Graham reminders in September and October 2017 asking why he did not attend - but had no reply. Benefit officers then carried out two "safeguarding visits" at his home on 16 October and 17 October - again with no reply.'


How is this the DWP's fault or the government's fault? There have to be systems and procedures in place to handle benefit claims and it looks pretty reasonable to me the actions that they carried out. They can't just keep giving handouts without at least a little cooporation. What can you really expect them to have done???

It is NOT the responsibility of the DWP or the government to run people's lives for them.

If you want to be woke and place blame/responsibility then perhaps you should look at the individuals themselves and their friends and families.

The same people always so quick to blame the government for anything and everything. When will people realise that whether you like it or not you are responsible for your own life not the government.
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"The inquest heard the DWP has no guidance for staff following failed safeguarding visits, and no requirement to seek more information before it stops benefits following failed safeguarding visits.
In her conclusion, the coroner Elizabeth Didcock asked for "robust policy and guidance for DWP staff" to prevent future deaths."
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The BBC article also states that he had cut off all family and friends. If the DWP know of his mental health issues, then they should be calling the police asap when he didn't respond to their home visit.

The response they had is more than reasonable for the average claimant, but not for someone with documented mental health issues.

RIP.

And as the OP has pointed out, the people they send to do the assessments are clueless and don't seem to have any grasp of mental health, and how a person who appears perfectly fine in a 1 hour visit can be highly unsuitable for working a normal job.
 
Thanks for this thread.

I can't stand all the RIP xxxxx celebrity threads on this forum, cannot stand them at all. I won't go into to reasons.

Hopefully this will go some way to raise awareness of something that clearly went wrong in our care system.
 
Orionaut said:
His benefits were not "Cut" He lost them because he didn't turn up to claim them.

(It is not unreasonable that those claiming benefits should be reassessed from time to time after all)

Now, as to why he failed to turn up to claim them, and whether somebody should have tried to find out why he didn't (Like friends/family/GP/Mental health worker/whatever ) is another issue.

But It is not Tescos fault that I starved to death because I never went shopping.
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I don't think you understand how downright nasty, uncaring and incompetent the people working in these government departments can be.

An ex-neighbour of mine had his benefits cut for a month because he missed a job interview. They gave him the wrong address yet refused to accept that as a reason or acknowledge it was their fault.
 
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