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Now that's the truth.
EU security proposals are 'dangerously authoritarian'
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Now that's the truth.
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So? Why would I care?
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As for those rolling out the "If you have nothing to hide" diatribe have a bunch of roll eyes.
Hmmm...
Perhaps I ought to issue some rolleyes to all the melodramatic, irrational drama queens
1. All rather than selective means a large waste of money (I suspect the gravy train has more own-self interest - who is on what company board or receives incentives?).
2. If a human accuses an individual then he needs proof before an action can be made. An automated system can analyse your movements and designate you a risk (thus impacting your live) without anything other than flawed logic.
I think that any automated system must by law publicly show the number of risks that it has identified successfully, that it has failed to identify and the number of incorrect risk identifications.
I would say, we in the UK, are already tracked heavily - London and most motorways have number plate tracking etc.
2. If a human accuses an individual then he needs proof before an action can be made. An automated system can analyse your movements and designate you a risk (thus impacting your live) without anything other than flawed logic.
I think that any automated system must by law publicly show the number of risks that it has identified successfully, that it has failed to identify and the number of incorrect risk identifications.
I would say, we in the UK, are already tracked heavily - London and most motorways have number plate tracking etc.
They can already do that anyway as you go about your normal business.
Use your contracted mobile tracked
Use your bank card/VISA tracked
Buy plane ticket tracked.
I fail to see how in everyday life you can't be tracked at present.
Please bare in mind that the air France disaster so far isn't linked to any kind of terrorist activity.
No doubt you got your flawed information from the Sun, when they printed the bit about "apparent" terrorists were on the plane.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
I agree fully, however do you think EU countries have resources to police everyone?
Even the police themselves are underfunded and understaffed.
These laws just cut the red tape involved with an increasingly mobile terrorist threat
Especially across schengen borders, ie mobile networks credit card companies etc which are under different national laws in each member state so criminals can easily flit between germany, belgium, france and italy without easy co-orperation between these countries it is difficult to catch these criminal gangs.
Unless you are a criminal teki I don't think you should be too worried.
Even the police themselves are underfunded and understaffed.
These laws just cut the red tape involved with an increasingly mobile terrorist threat
Especially across schengen borders, ie mobile networks credit card companies etc which are under different national laws in each member state so criminals can easily flit between germany, belgium, france and italy without easy co-orperation between these countries it is difficult to catch these criminal gangs.
Unless you are a criminal teki I don't think you should be too worried.
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Yeah i think they do. Considering at the moment money has no value, its printed and based upon an un-payable debt, you could say £2 Trillion and it still means nothing.
That isn't due to the lack of funds, rather the lack of better planning on where to put the funds.
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Hmmm...
Perhaps I ought to issue some rolleyes to all the melodramatic, irrational drama queens
I think you are misguided. It is in the interest of the general populous to be vigilant against any infringements into their liberties.
It does not mean they cannot go on with their daily life, need to wear a tin foil hat and it doesn't make them melodramatic, irrational drama queens.
But if you and others are happy with the way things are going then that's good for you.
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No the police are ground down with targets and paperwork.
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Until what you do quite legally is suddenly redefined as criminal.
Erm, what? If a government passes a law to make an activty illegal, it doesn't matter what its legal status before was, if you want to continue being a non-criminal you simply stop whatever it was.
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So if the Government made something you had the legal right to do for many years illegal you'd just stop? You are a sheep.
Oh and don't think this has happened? Well it has, the perfectly legal right to peaceful protest has been restricted both her and in the USA (Freedom of Speech zone
)Thomas Jefferson said:
Carl Shurz said:
Like any rational person I would make a personal decision whether I want to break the law or not. Also I wouldn't be so selfish to assume just because I want to do something then everybody else has to bow down to me.
Even if the law is stupid, pointless, idiotic and provides no benefit to society whatsoever?
Labour have been good at passing those...
Sorry I'm confused now - are you bothered about this or not? Do you have the facts/costings/proposals? If not then why are you continuing to argue?