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Most people on 3 yrs are getting offers to extend to 4 on ours. Guess it reduces the impact to the fleet provider
 
Hedge said:
I'm kinda intrigued with how it will pan out on the e208 I'm getting. My salary sacrifice is set at doing 15000 miles a year. After 3 years and 45000 miles I bet the car won't be worth much at all.

At the point I assume they will either take it back and feel the sting when they auction it. Or they will maybe ask me if I want to keep it at a cheaper monthly cost?

If it was possible (and the car had been reliable) I'd almost be tempted to just buy it from them at the end if the price was rock bottom.
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I really wouldn’t sweat it, the gross amounts being charged on SS schemes are not usually competitive with what you can get privately. The only reason they work is because of the tax savings.

There is plenty of margin built into these schemes because they are not competing with a level playing field.

The net cost of our Y was cheaper than leasing/PCP privately but it wasn’t that much cheaper, most of my tax saving formed part of their profit.

They also can’t have their cake and eat it. When the leasing companies were taking back vehicles in 2021 and selling them on for more than they paid after someone gave them half its value over 3 years to rent it, it’s not like they gave anyone a refund.
 
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I still have 2 years left on my 5 year lease and its looking like my work will be doing SS for cars for normal employees, management already get it, so looking forward to seeing what savings if any I can make from it over a private lease/PCP
 
Journey said:
Cracking deal on a top of the range Mini Cooper Hatchback 160kW SE Exclusive [Level 3] 54kWh - it's £7.38k for 2 years all in. 5k miles PA but looks to be about 11ppm after that. New OTR is £42k
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Where is that deal? someone in work was looking at one for his Mrs..
 
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I’m almost 3 months into ownership of the ID 7, and I’ve really enjoyed driving an electric car (with this range).


I wouldn’t want anything with a smaller range though, as 100% charge has proven just enough on a few trips.


Tesla charging helps, but it’s otherwise excessive to charge out and about (and not always straight forward).



What will deter me from having another, though, is the car itself.


I’ve never owned a car which winds me up as much as the ID 7. Don’t get me wrong, when it’s working, it’s fab. But there are a few ongoing issues which I’ve clashing with VW over, mostly due to their policy on paying for courtesy cars.



Here’s my list of regular problems (multiple times a week):

Windows going down when trying to put them up

12v battery low - can’t use app

“Not connected to internet”

Windows permanently fogging even with AC on

CarPlay not connecting

Not charging at preferred times (having to change setting each time) or at all on some nights

Keyless entry not working



Then 2 rarer issues:

Front sensor malfunction

HUD not working



In addition to the above, the auto corner braking is driving me nuts. If it detects there’s a bend coming up, if I’m coasting coming up to it, the car will just start braking if it thinks I’m going too quick, requiring intervention.




Tl;dr love electric, finding the car a pain in the backside.
 
Simon said:
Turn off ACC road layout effects or whatever it’s called to help the last one.
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Already have :-)


There’s a bit of dual carriageway near me which goes into a 60, single carriageway. It’s on a bend, and the car is intent on slowing to 36 MPH to go around it. No speed signs, it just shows the “tight bend” icon and slows right down.
 
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Journey said:
VW software in their cars really let them down, I have no idea how they keep getting things so wrong.
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Not really alone as our fiestas speed sign warnings also can misread the signs. Unfortunately these can not be perfect, my BMW was the same, and be caught out by certain conditions.
 
Re entering this thread as the "Chinese car" thread made me relook at used evs.

Wow. They really have come down in price.

Probably to the point where if our car packed it in I think i would bite with a used EV.

I can't believe how much "OK" evs have come down!
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I really wouldn’t sweat it, the gross amounts being charged on SS schemes are not usually competitive with what you can get privately. The only reason they work is because of the tax savings.

There is plenty of margin built into these schemes because they are not competing with a level playing field.

The net cost of our Y was cheaper than leasing/PCP privately but it wasn’t that much cheaper, most of my tax saving formed part of their profit.

They also can’t have their cake and eat it. When the leasing companies were taking back vehicles in 2021 and selling them on for more than they paid after someone gave them half its value over 3 years to rent it, it’s not like they gave anyone a refund.
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I looked at our scheme a few months back.
Indeed the costs are barely better than going private.
They inflate their margin quite a chunk to bring you a bit cheaper of a deal.
Unfortunate really you can't apply your tax savings to "normal" deals.
 
MrRockliffe said:
I’m almost 3 months into ownership of the ID 7, and I’ve really enjoyed driving an electric car (with this range).


I wouldn’t want anything with a smaller range though, as 100% charge has proven just enough on a few trips.


Tesla charging helps, but it’s otherwise excessive to charge out and about (and not always straight forward).



What will deter me from having another, though, is the car itself.


I’ve never owned a car which winds me up as much as the ID 7. Don’t get me wrong, when it’s working, it’s fab. But there are a few ongoing issues which I’ve clashing with VW over, mostly due to their policy on paying for courtesy cars.



Here’s my list of regular problems (multiple times a week):

Windows going down when trying to put them up

12v battery low - can’t use app

“Not connected to internet”

Windows permanently fogging even with AC on

CarPlay not connecting

Not charging at preferred times (having to change setting each time) or at all on some nights

Keyless entry not working



Then 2 rarer issues:

Front sensor malfunction

HUD not working



In addition to the above, the auto corner braking is driving me nuts. If it detects there’s a bend coming up, if I’m coasting coming up to it, the car will just start braking if it thinks I’m going too quick, requiring intervention.




Tl;dr love electric, finding the car a pain in the backside.
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Thankfully on mine it’s just the crap wipers that were an issue. It does seem over sensitive when parking in tight spots, slams the brakes on! Oh and it’s got a squeaky brake pedal.

VW, as a huge company, should hang its head in shame, the software issues are an absolute embarrassment.
 
Only issue with my Tavascan that i've found so far, is actually not the car but the app. When it works it's perfect but this morning, -6c and I couldn't pre-warm :(. It kept saying that it's in offline mode and I need to change the privacy settings in the car, which is a load of BS. Sometimes it just doesn't load the app properly and I have to close and open it again. It's annoying but literally only used to pre-warm, nothing else.

Luckily, it doesn't take long to heat up at all and no scraping required, it melts off quite quick.

Apparently I did exactly 2.0 mi/kWh on my commute this morning at -6c.
  • A few mins stationary warming up
  • 15 miles travel
  • 90% dual carriageway 60-70mph
  • B-Mode
  • ACC
  • AC @ 22c
  • Seat heating on lowest setting
  • Rear de-mist
  • Mirror de-mist (forgot to turn off)

No idea if that's good or not.
 
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Hmmm my ipace is better on massive wheels and faster cruise, that said longer drive. EV has the same warm up issue as ICE in winter
 
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MrRockliffe said:
I’m almost 3 months into ownership of the ID 7, and I’ve really enjoyed driving an electric car (with this range).


I wouldn’t want anything with a smaller range though, as 100% charge has proven just enough on a few trips.


Tesla charging helps, but it’s otherwise excessive to charge out and about (and not always straight forward).
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The number of cars with over 400 miles of range and around 280+ of motorway range is massively increasing..

Even what I considered the brands focussed on price which generally have smaller batteries are suddenly offering 425 mile ranges (Vauxhall Grandland etc)..

413x said:
I looked at our scheme a few months back.
Indeed the costs are barely better than going private.
They inflate their margin quite a chunk to bring you a bit cheaper of a deal.
Unfortunate really you can't apply your tax savings to "normal" deals.
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SS is very inefficient, but ensure you are comparing like for like.
- No deposit
- Insured
- Fully Maintained
- Tyres

As an overall package, many are still finding the savings pretty reasonable, but it depends on being a high rate tax payer, and ensuring your company are generous and pay your pension pre-salary sacrifice to not impact on that.

Many in work have got 260-300 mile range cars like the MG4 Extended Range / Cupra Born's and other smaller EVs on offer for circa £300pm and some spent the same on second hand cars like the Kia Niro etc..
 
The Model Y refresh launched in China last night. The TLDR is:
7% more range from aero improvments
It has the same battery/motor/charging specs as the last model.
Interior similar to model 3 but has an indicator stalk

It’s perhaps slightly less ugly but I’m really not sure about that, it’s not exactly a looker.

www.autocar.co.uk

Official! Your first look at the new Tesla Model Y in UK - complete with indicator stalks | Autocar

World’s best-selling electric car receives a revamp to boost its appeal against newer rivals
www.autocar.co.uk www.autocar.co.uk

It seems alright but I’m not sure it’s enough to materially increase sales at the sorts of margins Tesla have been used to historically, particularly with Musks latest interventions. I think they’ll be back to pushing very keen pricing/finance offers as they were with the model 3 within 6 months.
 
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