EV general discussion

[b0rn2sk8]

In London you are forbidden from parking on the pavement and they have enforcement, even out in the ‘burbs’.

in the busier parts, individual spaces are marked and residents permits are in force. They effectively put a cap on the number of cars people in the area can own.

That will be the reality in a lot of these places if street bollards are to be put in. The challenge is how do you deal with the issue of there already being more cars in the area than the street realistically have space for. Even if you one way street to enable double parking, it will unlikely be enough.

 

[chanjy]

TBH there will be a certain proportion of the population who will have to go to a charging hub to charge, or use workplace charging. There's no answer to this - these cars all have to go to petrol stations now but a charge up might take a little longer, that's all

 

[bigmike20vt]

TBH there will be a certain proportion of the population who will have to go to a charging hub to charge, or use workplace charging. There's no answer to this - these cars all have to go to petrol stations now but a charge up might take a little longer, that's all

ideally the handful of charging points at supermarkets etc will be significantly expanded that way no one is waiting around... their car will be charged whilst doing the weekly shop etc

but the prices need to be bought in line with fossil fuels

 

[kefkef]

My street is similar, loads of front gardens lost to parking. A small handful are EVs.

I think people just don't like parking on the road and want their own personal space.

Probably simpler than that. In the original picture there's no/few dropped kerbs, therefore free for all for parking, people have the attitude of wanting/expecting to park their car in front of their house, they get peeved when they have to park half a street away and walk to their house. Answer, convert garden to parking with dropped kerb, i can now park next to my house and people can no longer park in front of it.

Said it in another thread, there was a house on the street next to mine, 4 bed detached with 2 car driveway. Mum, Dad & 3 kids stayed there. Big extension later, the original 5 adults are still there, plus 2 boyfriends and a girlfriend. 8 adults.... all with their own car, plus dad, son and 2 boyfriends all have work vans... 12 cars/vans lined down the street as none of them wanted to park on the drive and get blocked in. Thankfully the 2 girls have now moved out and the dad & son share a van for their own business, so down to 4 overnight, but the 2 girls are back most days.

 

[tamzzy]

From a quick look it's only London that has a significant amount of houses approx. 40% without a car, look at the rest of the country and it drops to approx. 20% and those figures are a few years old.

yeah and also the fact that TFL is soooo much more developed than anywhere else in the country, and coupled to that, driving in london is expensive and with all the congestion, probably as slow as public transport
for a large proportion of people, there really is no need to own a car in london
one of my friends moved to london for work and sold their car a couple of months after as it was basically sat unused in a paid carpark and costing money

 

[lordrobs]

TBH there will be a certain proportion of the population who will have to go to a charging hub to charge, or use workplace charging. There's no answer to this - these cars all have to go to petrol stations now but a charge up might take a little longer, that's all

It isn't all though. Because if you don't have a drive you could find yourself paying nearly 10 times more to charge your car verses someone who does.

Generally off road parking comes with more expensive property which naturally comes with more well off households. There is a risk of creating a class divide when it comes to cars and it isn't a particularly fair one when a decision is made on high to phase out ICE without any plans to phase in balanced pricing for all.

I'll await the irrelevant "but ICE cars will be around for 20 years, they can just buy used ICE" comments.

 

[chanjy]

It isn't all though. Because if you don't have a drive you could find yourself paying nearly 10 times more to charge your car verses someone who does.

Generally off road parking comes with more expensive property which naturally comes with more well off households. There is a risk of creating a class divide when it comes to cars and it isn't a particularly fair one when a decision is made on high to phase out ICE without any plans to phase in balanced pricing for all.

I'll await the irrelevant "but ICE cars will be around for 20 years, they can just buy used ICE" comments.

I see your point but 10x is the absolute worst case tbh. The best case is free workplace charging instead, the middle ground is something like a Tesla or Be.EV subscription where you pay a tenner and get 40p/kWh charging. Which is a lot more than someone with a driveway but is actually a similar cost per mile as their existing ICE car.

 

[kefkef]

Cross/under pavement charging is a possibility, however it comes back round to the fact you don't own the road outside your house, so again it's a lottery to see if you can get parked outside your house. The increased cost associated with the installation. Plus the local authority permissions you'd need make things more difficult.

There's a 12 month pilot going on here in Leeds for it. https://www.leeds.gov.uk/parking-ro...ing-travel/electric-vehicle-charging-in-leeds

 

[Jimbeam3678]

I'm after some opinions and I guess this is a good thread to ask. I currently have 67 plate Seat Leon valued at 5.5K on webuyanycar - trade is saying 6-7k. I currently do somewhere between 5-6k miles a year some for work maybe 2k a year and the rest taking the dogs on a walk and other social stuff.

I have had this car since it was 1 year old, it has 46K on the clock and it has been a great car. My dilemma is its just started to pull in some bills, water pump 1K, washer motor £200 - all within the last 2- 3 months.

I'm pondering on trading it in for a model Y 2022/23 plate for around 20-21K, with a 7k loan and 7k out of my savings. I can't make my mind up if this is me just wanting a new toy (highly possible), if it makes sense to chop my car while it is still worth something and/or before more big bills come or I'm completely daft for even considering it?.

Thoughts?

 

[lordrobs]

I see your point but 10x is the absolute worst case tbh. The best case is free workplace charging instead, the middle ground is something like a Tesla or Be.EV subscription where you pay a tenner and get 40p/kWh charging. Which is a lot more than someone with a driveway but is actually a similar cost per mile as their existing ICE car.

It still seems a weird disparity to me where I, because I have off street parking, could commute in an EV for circa £150 a year while directly opposite our house the same person driving the same car would pay around £1700 a year or around £950 a year with a subscription discount. Simply because the cottages they live in don't have off street parking.

I guess you can take the point that they are currently paying that £950 or so already in an ICE. Maybe that completely nullifies the point for some. If the tables were turned I could theoretically stop at Postwick Gridserve and use their superchargers on a sub to charge for 40p/kwh as it is on my commute. Not sure I would though as time is at such a premium when you are doing the working family constant plate spinning.

 

[lordrobs]

I'm after some opinions and I guess this is a good thread to ask. I currently have 67 plate Seat Leon valued at 5.5K on webuyanycar - trade is saying 6-7k. I currently do somewhere between 5-6k miles a year some for work maybe 2k a year and the rest taking the dogs on a walk and other social stuff.

I have had this car since it was 1 year old, it has 46K on the clock and it has been a great car. My dilemma is its just started to pull in some bills, water pump 1K, washer motor £200 - all within the last 2- 3 months.

I'm pondering on trading it in for a model Y 2022/23 plate for around 20-21K, with a 7k loan and 7k out of my savings. I can't make my mind up if this is me just wanting a new toy (highly possible), if it makes sense to chop my car while it is still worth something and/or before more big bills come or I'm completely daft for even considering it?.

Thoughts?

You aren't daft at all for considering it but if you are looking purely financially I can't see how it isn't worth running that Leon for a good few more years yet.

Let the £7k grow, let the other £7k not have you on the hook for whatever interest rate it demands and put the miles on the Leon. You've had the bulk of the depreciation and the curve shallows out from now on, especially these days where a car that moves under its own steam starts with a four figure price tag, not three like days of old. Repair bills are annoying but any out of warranty car can throw those.

 

[chanjy]

I'm after some opinions and I guess this is a good thread to ask. I currently have 67 plate Seat Leon valued at 5.5K on webuyanycar - trade is saying 6-7k. I currently do somewhere between 5-6k miles a year some for work maybe 2k a year and the rest taking the dogs on a walk and other social stuff.

I have had this car since it was 1 year old, it has 46K on the clock and it has been a great car. My dilemma is its just started to pull in some bills, water pump 1K, washer motor £200 - all within the last 2- 3 months.

I'm pondering on trading it in for a model Y 2022/23 plate for around 20-21K, with a 7k loan and 7k out of my savings. I can't make my mind up if this is me just wanting a new toy (highly possible), if it makes sense to chop my car while it is still worth something and/or before more big bills come or I'm completely daft for even considering it?.

Thoughts?

From a financial point of view absolutely bad idea. Shiny new car though... gotta spend your money on something lol

 

[Jimbeam3678]

You aren't daft at all for considering it but if you are looking purely financially I can't see how it isn't worth running that Leon for a good few more years yet.

Let the £7k grow, let the other £7k not have you on the hook for whatever interest rate it demands and put the miles on the Leon. You've had the bulk of the depreciation and the curve shallows out from now on, especially these days where a car that moves under its own steam starts with a four figure price tag, not three like days of old. Repair bills are annoying but any out of warranty car can throw those.

I thats where I pretty much got to I think. I always like to take stock and consider my options every year or so - especially with cars where I'm not a car lover but do I like and appreciate newer cars. The kicker being I hate the monthlies to repay the finance

 

[Jimbeam3678]

From a financial point of view absolutely bad idea. Shiny new car though... gotta spend your money on something lol

I am the worst for shiny new things

 

[Shadowness]

I'm in a similar boat. Motorway are quoting £25k for my 140i (top spec, low miles). With a max deposit of 18k, monthlies are £270 or so for a premium AWD Model Y. So if I used the BMW money too, I'd have two years of payments covered.

Plus without going into details, I will be in a position to buy the car outright at the end of the term too.

 

[kefkef]

It still seems a weird disparity to me where I, because I have off street parking, could commute in an EV for circa £150 a year while directly opposite our house the same person driving the same car would pay around £1700 a year or around £950 a year with a subscription discount. Simply because the cottages they live in don't have off street parking.

I guess you can take the point that they are currently paying that £950 or so already in an ICE. Maybe that completely nullifies the point for some. If the tables were turned I could theoretically stop at Postwick Gridserve and use their superchargers on a sub to charge for 40p/kwh as it is on my commute. Not sure I would though as time is at such a premium when you are doing the working family constant plate spinning.

I was thinking of this also, then it crossed my mind that when we bought our house it was £100k dearer then the 2 bed flats round the corner. If you take the cost of mortgage+charge price then I’d say the flats are better off on a monthly basis.

Then again there’s probably loads of ways of making things stack up, and it’s a Friday, the sun is shining, the pool is up and full of cold water and it’s beer o’clock!

 

[lordrobs]

I was thinking of this also, then it crossed my mind that when we bought our house it was £100k dearer then the 2 bed flats round the corner. If you take the cost of mortgage+charge price then I’d say the flats are better off on a monthly basis.

Then again there’s probably loads of ways of making things stack up, and it’s a Friday, the sun is shining, the pool is up and full of cold water and it’s beer o’clock!

Yeah, the reality is though that people buy what they can afford when it comes to property. So, using your example, someone in the 2 bed flat might have to spend an extra £80 a month to commute in an ICE vs an EV but just because they are paying £100 less a month on a mortgage doesn't necessarily mean they are a net £20 a month better off.

As you say though, there are plenty of ways to spin it.

 

[tamzzy]

I was thinking of this also, then it crossed my mind that when we bought our house it was £100k dearer then the 2 bed flats round the corner.

So, using your example, someone in the 2 bed flat might have to spend an extra £80 a month to commute in an ICE vs an EV but just because they are paying £100 less a month on a mortgage doesn't necessarily mean they are a net £20 a month better off.

Off topic but flats are the worst comparator as the service charges make it really crappy to own as a owner-occupier for the long term.
The usual service charges I've seen ranges from £2-4k per annum...absolute ripoff.
In the last 4 years, I don't think I've cumulatively spent that much on maintenance for my house lol...much less for 1 year

 

[SkyTerran]

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[b0rn2sk8]

63kwh version but yeh thats a lot of car for the money. Someone will be happy.