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Excellent Editorial from HardOCP: AMD vs. Intel HEDT Platform Showdown Editorial

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Source : https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/10/10/amd_vs_intel_hedt_platform_showdown_editorial

Excellent article by the guys at HardOCP and really incredible how far that HEDT computing has come in the last 9 months...what a time to be a PC enthusiast...technology has really come on in ways you couldn't imagine 2-3 years ago.

What do you think of the article? I'm personally impressed with the AMD offering but will more than likely stick with Intel for my next platform upgrade.
 
Interesting read

It’s been a bit flat the last few years but Ryzen and early coffee-lake has shaken CPU’s up and next year will be interesting with the second offerings.
 
Aneskimo said:
Interesting read

It’s been a bit flat the last few years but Ryzen and early coffee-lake has shaken CPU’s up and next year will be interesting with the second offerings.
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This and why I have held off. I am likely going to give AMD some monies but am waiting to see what happens with 2nd GEN threadripper. If they do get to going 6 core dies and thus getting 24 core/48 thread then I will be a happy chappy. Will have to see how it goes by 2019/2020 tbh.
 
Curlyriff said:
If they do get to going 6 core dies and thus getting 24 core/48 thread then I will be a happy chappy.
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Threadripper is already on 8 core dies - it uses 2 of them, with 2 "blank" dies for structural support. Whether a 4x 8 core die part arrives on the desktop for 32 core / 64 thread will be a waiting game I imagine.
 
Curlyriff said:
This and why I have held off. I am likely going to give AMD some monies but am waiting to see what happens with 2nd GEN threadripper. If they do get to going 6 core dies and thus getting 24 core/48 thread then I will be a happy chappy. Will have to see how it goes by 2019/2020 tbh.
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You can build a 24c 48t EYPC SP3 system for a decent price.
 
Armageus said:
Threadripper is already on 8 core dies - it uses 2 of them, with 2 "blank" dies for structural support. Whether a 4x 8 core die part arrives on the desktop for 32 core / 64 thread will be a waiting game I imagine.
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My understanding was that it was still 2x4 die linked to make the 8 die and thus there was talk of moving from 4 core to 6 core when they go Zen 2. So;

Ryzen 3 goes from 4 core to 6 core standard
Ryzen 5 goes from 4 core to 6 core for the 1400 & 1500X and then 8 core for 1600 & 1600X
Ryzen 7 goes from 8 core to 12 core for that series
Threadripper goes 1900X = 8 core to 12 core, 1920X = 12 core to 16 core and 1950X 16 core to 24 core

This is more what I meant. Now as you say it could also be possible to then go with a 4 die later for 48 core/96 thread Threadripper in 2020 for instance. That would be interesting.


jigger said:
You can build a 24c 48t EYPC SP3 system for a decent price.
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Aye you can but they are for very different things tbh. Driver wise even at the moment they are certainly different.
 
Wish they'd looked more in depth on the storage front - both are showing some areas of concern for high end use - Intel especially seems to have gotten sloppy in an area they traditionally did well in - but the benchmarks are too general to really see the true nature of those issues (which will affect some usages more than others).
 
Curlyriff said:
My understanding was that it was still 2x4 die linked to make the 8 die and thus there was talk of moving from 4 core to 6 core when they go Zen 2. So;

Ryzen 3 goes from 4 core to 6 core standard
Ryzen 5 goes from 4 core to 6 core for the 1400 & 1500X and then 8 core for 1600 & 1600X
Ryzen 7 goes from 8 core to 12 core for that series
Threadripper goes 1900X = 8 core to 12 core, 1920X = 12 core to 16 core and 1950X 16 core to 24 core
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It's mainly speculation at this point and I'm not sure that they won't have a low-end 4 core chip still, but otherwise it seems pretty sensible that this is what will happen. Assuming they can actually fit 6 cores on a single CCX when they go to 7 nm of course.
 
DragonQ said:
It's mainly speculation at this point and I'm not sure that they won't have a low-end 4 core chip still, but otherwise it seems pretty sensible that this is what will happen. Assuming they can actually fit 6 cores on a single CCX when they go to 7 nm of course.
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Aye exactly. And kinda going back to why I said I will hold off until I can see those plans. I honestly think if they going 6 core single CCX then that would be lowest chip because it would actually be more work to have a 4 core then. Moving the whole thing up is only a good step too.

Especially as software/game engines are now already being looked at in much more detail in utilising more cores more effectively and so its all win win on this front :)
 
I don't think it would be more work, they have lots of SKUs with cores disabled, all of the R3s and R5s. The only AM4 chips that have all cores enabled are the R7s, plus any 4 core Raven Ridge APUs they release.
 
Rroff said:
Wish they'd looked more in depth on the storage front - both are showing some areas of concern for high end use - Intel especially seems to have gotten sloppy in an area they traditionally did well in - but the benchmarks are too general to really see the true nature of those issues (which will affect some usages more than others).
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I think Epyc will put AMD in a good position on the storage side of things over the longer term, the enterprise space is where Intel managed to get super mature with its NICs and Storage - and this has transfered well to HEDT and the upper mid range for them.

I don't think X399/X370/B350 are particularly weak on the storage side right now, but the next generation will definitely benefit from trickle down of tech / experience from the enterprise side - assuming Epyc gets good adoption in the datacenter over the next couple of years.
 
BongoHunter said:
I don't think X399/X370/B350 are particularly weak on the storage side right now, but the next generation will definitely benefit from trickle down of tech / experience from the enterprise side - assuming Epyc gets good adoption in the datacenter over the next couple of years.
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For certain types of data access Ryzen is falling apart badly for IOPS - in the article it is mostly shown in the legacy AHCI results but affects PCI-e/NVMe as well the article doesn't go into enough detail to really see the effect of it though - if you buy the platform for certain types of work where that is a big factor performance will suffer badly. Interestingly it isn't all rosy on the Intel side either with quite a drop in a couple of areas they traditionally did well in.
 
String said:
For gamers, it's all meh. Only when game developers utilise multiple cores will we see the benefits of this recent CPU arms race.
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Its just as well HEDT isn't aimed solely at gamers I suppose.

As for benefits, I'm seeing them daily ;-)
 
amigafan2003 said:
Its just as well HEDT isn't aimed solely at gamers I suppose.

As for benefits, I'm seeing them daily ;-)
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I'm not sure that any CPU is aimed solely at gamers?

To be fair, the article does acknowledge this:

Given AMD’s strength in multi-threaded applications, relative low cost CPU and platform, Intel has much to be worried about in the HEDT market. On the gaming front, it’s much the same thing. AMD’s got serious strengths and few weaknesses. Ryzen and by extension Threadripper are slower in gaming, but as we’ve seen, these differences don’t really show up outside of CPU limited resolutions. Today, that even includes 1080P gaming. Even where Ryzen and Threadripper don’t shine against Intel, you still get a great gaming experience. Thanks to the fact that we are mostly GPU limited, it’s your graphics card or cards that make all the difference. With a modern GPU, even ancient Sandy Bridge systems are still serving their owners very well in the latest games.
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