Explain to me (in simple terms) this hate for diesel?

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Ok so this must have been posted before, so firstly I am sorry if I am reopening this. But, I drive a 200hp diesel car, I like the power etc and IF i changed to petrol I would want something equivalent performance wise. So how does this make sense?

2 litre diesel, £110 tax, 129g co2 0 - 60 8.5 seconds and I get about 45mpg from it.

Ok so

2 litre petrol, £195 tax, 197 co2 0 - 60 7.8 seconds which gets a bit over 27mpg

So how can petrol truly work out better for the environment? I know diesels pump out a lot of nitrogen dioxide but per mile surely diesel is still a better option?

I was looking at more sensible 1.5 lite diesel which I know will get more closer to 60mpg for the commute I do. The closest petrol I can find will do about 41mpg.

So in the most simple terms possible can someone tell me why the massive hate for diesel? I am asking for myself and some co-workers.

Honest John data for 2014 onwards Focus
Best petrol MPG 1.0T EcoBoost 125 43.4mpg
Best diesel MPG 1.5 TDCi 105 ECO 60.5mpg
 
Molemanmus;30483110 said:
TLDR - Diesels pump out relatively more "bad stuff" that tends to offset MPG savings for the majority of drivers + diesels on the road
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So basically some drivers buy a diesel to do a 2 mile school run that will mean a possible diesel super tax for those of us that make good use of a higher mpg diesel?
 
Bug One;30483144 said:
Also, the Government don't want you to buy either. They want you to buy an EV - hence why there are so many tax incentives towards you doing this, investment in infrastructure etc.

Whilst this may be completely unfeasible in your situation, for those doing the school run, or just needed a cheap runabout, it makes complete sense.
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I was actually looking at the tesla model 3 when it was announced the US price tag of $35000. If that sold for the conversion rate (at the time it was announced) that would have been £24500 before the UK incentive of £4500. That would have been perfect, focus price range. But reading it looks more like the car will be £32000 ish after UK incentive. Obviously no one knows yet..... but the model 3 with 215 mile + range would do..... If the powers that be removed that import tax then I would jump on it. But tax and weaker pound kills that idea. Its all a bit frustrating.
 
Psycho Sonny;30483668 said:
Right you drive a 200BHP diesel (is it a 3 litre?) and you state if you changed to petrol you would want "something equivalent performance wise"

So why are you looking at a 1.0T ecoboost?
Or a 1.5 diesel?

Or even a 2 litre diesel for that matter?

Then you go on to state "2 litre diesel, £110 tax, 129g co2 0 - 60 8.5 seconds and I get about 45mpg from it.

Ok so

2 litre petrol, £195 tax, 197 co2 0 - 60 7.8 seconds which gets a bit over 27mpg"

You do realise that 0-60 7.8 and 8.5 aren't really the same thing performance wise? The petrol is faster and I can therefore imagine has more power therefore it's never going to be as economical.

If your going to use a 2 litre petrol (with a turbo) then compare it to a 2.5 litre diesel or even a 3 litre diesel. Which will likely cost you £5K+ more than the petrol That £5K+ you spend more on the diesel car to buy in the first place you will never see back in fuel savings unless you do 20K+ miles a year.

Basically what is it that you want? Do you want 200BHP? because it doesn't look like it if your looking at a 1.0 ecoboost. Or do you want a cheap to run car? Also how many miles per year do you do?

Diesel makes sense for some but not others. We need a much clearer picture. Currently your all over the place.
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Please read my first post again and quote without cutting parts of it. In the very first line I put IF I changed to a petrol I would want something equivalent. I then go on to say I was looking at more sensible diesels for the commute I do. The last 2 cars are a comparison from a real mpg site coming the most eco petrol focus and diesel. The post is not about me hunting for a new car, it is about why the growing anti diesel movement all over the press lately. Talk of scrap-age schemes and road tax rises for diesels.

Also the compare of 2 litre diesel to 2 litre petrol. I drive a Insignia BiTurbo CDTi which is 195 ps, the 2 litre petrol is a insignia turbo 2 litre 215ps. 20ps different 0.7 seconds difference 0 - 60 which is not surprising given the weight saving from the huge diesel lump.
 

Hi Rainmaker

Insignia's were my compare. BiTurbo CDTi (my current car) 195PS compare to the 2 litre Turbo Insignia 215ps. I should have said more detail in the make/model engine.

The spec's for those engines you list, are they manufacture spec's or real mpg's? I tend to use honest john real mpg and I do not see a 1.4 TSI doing more then 48? Thats the 125ps version on a golf which says 0-60 9.3?
 
From reading all this I think it is a lack of education and a lot of people buying a car without having a bit of understanding on petrol and diesel. Cheaper secondhand diesels being snapped up because of cheaper road tax by someone who needs it for a 2 mile shop run every couple of days.......
 
I would go as far to say as the internal trip lies about mpg. Take a look at honest john's real mpg. Also working it out on paper between tanks.

That 320d suggests 52.9 unless you get the EfficientDynamics which says 59.1. Might have to see how much those are!
 
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