Explaining religion and life and Universe..

salami1212

salami1212

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Ok, well this is a bit different to my last thread.. Basically I was thinking last night and I swear I had an epiphany.. Basically the brain and the eye are both organs which havnt really been fully understood in a biological matter.

Basically my theory is that our brain is our "god". Our "universe" is our "brain" and that light connects the two through our eyes. They are seperated by dimensions. When we die our brain is sort of "disconnected" from our body and we either go to another dimension?..

There is a universe made up of planets and stars and "matter". This is "our" known universe. We could never travel out of the universe because its impossible to travel faster than the speed of light.

Life is basicaly for adding to this matter and for having feelings.

The argument from human perception
We call both the sky and blue jeans by the same color: Blue. However, clearly a pair of jeans and the sky are not the same color; moreover, the wavelengths of light reflected by the sky at every location and all the millions of blue jeans in every state of fading constantly change, and yet we somehow have an idea of the basic form Blueness as it applies to them.

argument from perfection
No one has ever seen a perfect circle, nor a perfectly straight line, yet everyone knows what a circle and a straight line are. Plato utilizes the tool-maker's blueprint as evidence that Forms are real

Perceived circles or lines are not exactly circular or straight, and true circles and lines could never be detected since by definition they are sets of infinitely small points. But if the perfect ones were not real, how could they direct the manufacturer?

Ye anyways. ive been rambling and i think some of you may get where im coming from. Obviously I dont fully believe this if there is actually anything to believe.
 
1) God is you. God cannot exist without you. If there is nobody to believe in God, then God cannot be. Simple.

2) Reaching the edge of the universe has nothing to do with speed. If the edge is reached, it will simply expand to accomodate that. That is why there can never be an end to the universe.

3) Your bold points are just downright silly.
 
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like maybe all our brain cells are like…. tiny little universes man… and like every time we think man, we’re like…. making new stars man… like whoa man
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Raist... can you please explain further your 2nd point?
I've never heard anything about that. From my understanding, the universe is not a traditional three dimensional shape - there is no edge.
It's hypothesized to be a 4-dimensional doughnut shape, meaning you could travel in any one direction for eternity and basically just come back on yourself.
 
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Raist said:
1) God is you. God cannot exist without you. If there is nobody to believe in God, then God cannot be. Simple.

2) Reaching the edge of the universe has nothing to do with speed. If the edge is reached, it will simply expand to accomodate that. That is why there can never be an end to the universe.

3) Your bold points are just downright silly.
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3) Its fricking Plato man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_forms
 
Basically my theory is that our brain is our "god". Our "universe" is our "brain" and that light connects the two through our eyes. They are seperated by dimensions. When we die our brain is sort of "disconnected" from our body and we either go to another dimension?..
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Only if you think when your processor dies your windows install goes to a mac.



salami1212 said:
The argument from human perception
We call both the sky and blue jeans by the same color: Blue. However, clearly a pair of jeans and the sky are not the same color; moreover, the wavelengths of light reflected by the sky at every location and all the millions of blue jeans in every state of fading constantly change, and yet we somehow have an idea of the basic form Blueness as it applies to them.

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Yes there are different shades of blue, because if we had to call everything by it's exact shade (assuming you could all agree on a spec) it would get annoying saying wow those are nice hash zero zero zero zero A zero jeans.
 
Tefal said:
Only if you think when your processor dies your windows install goes to a mac.






Yes there are different shades of blue, because if we had to call everything by it's exact shade (assuming you could all agree on a spec) it would get annoying saying wow those are nice hash zero zero zero zero A zero jeans.
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Ask plato, he can explain it better. The point I think he was trying to make is that there are infinite shades of blue like there is infinite cells and stars etc.

Think of say avatar if you have seen it, their world is connected to them and everything within it. Our world before "technology" and space travel etc was "Gods". Now its the universe but no one can explain the universe.
 
there aren't infinite shade of blue though are there?

The spectrum is only finitely big.


Think of say avatar if you have seen it, their world is connected to them and everything within it. Our world before "technology" and space travel etc was "Gods". Now its the universe but no one can explain the universe.
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I can't personalty explain how a processor works, that doesn't mean a little god lives in there.
 
Tefal said:
there aren't infinite shade of blue though are there?

The spectrum is only finitely big.




I can't personalty explain how a processor works, that doesn't mean a little god lives in there.
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The known spectrum is finitely big, the unknown is infinitely big. Who knows what other people see. Your red could be my yellow. Im not saying I believe in "god".

Basically Light, sound, colour etc makes the world we live in today "matter, shapes etc"
 
We don't exist seperate to the Universe, we are part of the Universe. We are manifestations of the Universe's conciousness. When we die, our 'soul' returns back to this Universal conciousness (which also makes up the essence and substance of everything) adding to it all our experiences, our feelings, our lives.

Just a thought. :3
 
salami1212 said:
Ok, well this is a bit different to my last thread.. Basically I was thinking last night and I swear I had an epiphany.. Basically the brain and the eye are both organs which havnt really been fully understood in a biological matter.
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Yes it has, simply put it has been proven that certain cells can develop a tendency to light sensitivity, then form into a cove as a simple eye etc etc etc.
The creationist myth that the eye needs a creator as its too perfect is BS.
 
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Raist... can you please explain further your 2nd point?
I've never heard anything about that. From my understanding, the universe is not a traditional three dimensional shape - there is no edge.
It's hypothesized to be a 4-dimensional doughnut shape, meaning you could travel in any one direction for eternity and basically just come back on yourself.
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The universe is defined as "anything that exists anywhere". Dimensions would just be a part of a universe. Our current known universe has a boundary -- one we can't see past. However, for objects that are at the far end of everything we can see, there is a similar view for them in all directions. The universe just continues on and on and on.

Trying to think of it as a "dimensional" object is just asking for problems. It exists in 3D space (or vice-versa). Nothing more.


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Firstly, OP, that is very poorly constructed rambling. I think possibly in part because you don't really understand what you're trying to say. You have faint ideas in your head but you're struggling to give them form and thus communicate them.

It's like watching a lightbulb turn on this. Admitedly, it's a dusty, old light-bulb that's flickering and quite likely to pop at any moment, but still, it's amusing.

You're hinting at a lot of things OP, but not quite fully grasping it. Rather than realising you're about to touch up an elephant, you're playing in its poo... so to speak.

Our brains as our 'god' is a good premise, but not when you digress into tenuous tangents involving other dimensions; that's unfounded rubbish. Many philosophies and stances originate from this very premise: humanism, nihilism, and objectivism to name just a few as an example.

Our brains are our individuality, our very perception, our hopes, desires, our principles and accrued experience; it is us. It is quite likely that our consciousness and self-awareness is a completely normal or inevitable 'accident' of evolution. Indeed, it's also quite likely that when we die, the lights go out and that's that; no special place, no other dimensions, just flesh and matter ceasing to function and thus the 'accident' of consciousness is no longer supported and flickers out. But that's not the end of the story is it? We were born of the stars and we will return to the stars. Matter and energy as we understand, in the universe, are one (e=mc2). We are all immortal and incredibly beautiful in that we are the ultimate (as far as we are currently aware) manifestation of the universe's mechanisms. We are the universe able to explore itself. Whether we maintain our consciousness as we know it once we die is another matter but depending on your perspective, we never really cease to be; just our particular unique arrangement of atoms and molecules within a snapshot of time and space is no longer. If our consciousness is a direct consequence of the fortunate way our brains have come together, than it follows that there is no consciousness when the brain ceases to function. However, if - as the universe shows us time and time again - there is more to life/death and everything than we currently realise, it's very exciting but equally terrifying.

Detaching the eyes doesn't mean that we no longer have a concept of what 'blue' is, as to our mind blue is still blue, it's a 'form' rather than a visual input as that's how our brain tends to operate; it deals with form, concept, logic and thought. Just as even if you chose to rename a table, a chair, its function will remain the same within our cognition.

Not that I really buy into much of it, but I think you might enjoy reading some of the Hindu's text regarding enlightenment as they do tend to explore the nature of concept and perspective a little and that is certainly what you seem to be trying to grasp at.

That aside, isn't it theoretically true that there is no such thing as a true line and that potentially everything is made up of loops and circles?
 
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salami1212 said:
The known spectrum is finitely big, the unknown is infinitely big. Who knows what other people see. Your red could be my yellow. Im not saying I believe in "god".
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That just means your eye/never/brain is defective.

My eyes/visual processor are defective in that they cannot differentiate certain types of light doesn't mean that they are the same thing.

It does not change the wavelength of the light in any way.

Basically you are arguing that your perception of the universe defines the universe.

Which is silly, you are not a special creature you are nothing more than any caterpillar, dog, cat, ape or fish.
 
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