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Formula One teams face cap on fuel amid drive for green credentials:
The Times
The Times
F1 Fuel Cap in 2013
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Soldato
OMG I hope they don't do it 
Oh well time for a rival championship.
Oh well time for a rival championship.
Soldato
Prediction: F1 will be run on electric cars in 15 years time.
Soldato
From the BBC
"Sources say one of the drivers behind the programme is pressure from sponsors, who are increasingly keen to be associated with a "greener" product."
"Running cars' engines in races and testing accounts for less than 1% of the sport's emissions, even though the cars run at less than five miles per gallon."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/science_and_environment/10456984.stm
"Sources say one of the drivers behind the programme is pressure from sponsors, who are increasingly keen to be associated with a "greener" product."
"Running cars' engines in races and testing accounts for less than 1% of the sport's emissions, even though the cars run at less than five miles per gallon."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/science_and_environment/10456984.stm
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So let me get this right, the running of the physical F1 car only represents 1% if the sports Co2 usage and due to these eco green nutjobs the teams might start getting rid of skilled engineers.
Great, another pat on the back for the eco green nutjobs.
Great, another pat on the back for the eco green nutjobs.
Why would it mean teams getting rid of skilled engineers? depending on the full engine rules when they implement this I'd imagine engine development will go through the roof in comparison to the past few years?
It does all depend on the engine restrictions though, ideally it'd be a nice simple fuel cap (say 140kg to start with) and completely open engine development rules to allow some proper engineering to take place...
It does all depend on the engine restrictions though, ideally it'd be a nice simple fuel cap (say 140kg to start with) and completely open engine development rules to allow some proper engineering to take place...
F1 is now for me become so bland and boringin comparison to previous years. I miss the tactical fuel stops, and everything that has been done since to help improve overtaking has in my veiw had the opposite effect.
However I think a lot of good has come from F1 in technology that seems to have been applied to modern day cars. Can't they leave F1 alone and start another formula and test their instead?
However I think a lot of good has come from F1 in technology that seems to have been applied to modern day cars. Can't they leave F1 alone and start another formula and test their instead?
Soldato
Fuel saving during races is already spoiling the show in 2010. So they intend to make the show significantly worse, is what they're saying?
It was like yay, Then nay
How do they expect teams to keep power by limiting development.
Just say you have x-amount of fuel , now get on with it.
Nothing wrong with that. F1 should be about getting the fastest lap times staying with in the rules. But those rules are far to strict and restrict development. That is why they are struggling for funding. Who is going to fund, when there is no development to show for it.
How do they expect teams to keep power by limiting development.
Just say you have x-amount of fuel , now get on with it.
Nothing wrong with that. F1 should be about getting the fastest lap times staying with in the rules. But those rules are far to strict and restrict development. That is why they are struggling for funding. Who is going to fund, when there is no development to show for it.
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Soldato
So the cars will be even slower, today they are already neutered to a point where a lot of corners are flat out and doing this will make it even worse.
I guess by then a GP2 car will be faster than a F1 car
I'm all for making things more efficient, but if it makes F1 worse and at the moment only accounts for less then 1% of the emissions you have to ask what's the point.
If the power output is the same, and the noise is still good then it seems ok though, lighter (if they lower the minimum weight), and smaller cars with the same amount of power sounds good. And if road cars can take technology from these developments then that's an added bonus.
If the power output is the same, and the noise is still good then it seems ok though, lighter (if they lower the minimum weight), and smaller cars with the same amount of power sounds good. And if road cars can take technology from these developments then that's an added bonus.
A lot of those proposals, will never see the light of day.
I'm all for making engines more fuel efficient though.
With regards to those who think F1 will become too slow or too quiet - doubt it. F1 engineers always find a way to go faster, with ever tighter regulations. I'd love to see electric cars going at 200mph+ in 15 years time.
I'm all for making engines more fuel efficient though.
With regards to those who think F1 will become too slow or too quiet - doubt it. F1 engineers always find a way to go faster, with ever tighter regulations. I'd love to see electric cars going at 200mph+ in 15 years time.
Soldato
Sure, but as soon as they find something FIA will cut down engine size or rpm again.
I hated going from V12 to V10 and I hated going from V10 to V8 even from a noise perspective, I remember when some teams were allowed to run V10's when most had V8's and you could hear the difference clearly with the V10 sounding so much better.
I'd hate to think about F1 using electric engines and not hearing an engine at all
The FIA tighten up the rules and over the Winter, the engineers manage to claw back every bit of speed which was lost. By the end of the year, they usually manage to have a car which is lapping faster than the car was able to do the previous year.
If they FIA didnt tighten up the rules every year, eventually you will have cars going at 300MPH+, which would be outright dangerous for not only the drivers but for spectators.
In general, F1 aims to maintain top speeds at around 200MPH and over the years, this has been acheived.
That hasn't been true for several years.
So you are saying that the FIA don't tighten up the rules every year?
Something i read said that if they were going to use 1.6 turbos it was going to cut fuel consumption by a fair chunk anyway so i'm not overly concerned. Something to remember is that if the engine manufactures spend that much money trying to find more efficient engines, it'll work its way into production cars which can only be a good thing.
Also less fuel means a smaller tank which means maybe we'll see some cars that aren't 4 meters long!
Also less fuel means a smaller tank which means maybe we'll see some cars that aren't 4 meters long!
No, I'm saying the speed has not been clawed back.
say fia introduce some regulation that will mean 15% less down-force, then designers will claw some of that back, maybe 10% but laptimes will still suffer. Just look at how few lap records have been broken or overall race time.
2004 is when most lap records where set.
it used to be true that engineers could claw back more than teh fia regulated. But now development is so restricted and aerodynamics are so advanced and well understood, it is not the case.
Any claw back is getting harder every year, partly because of regulation, but mainly because engineers are looking for the last 1-2% of available speed from aerodynamics.
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Soldato
Ho ho! What about all the plane travel between circuits?