F1 grid mix up.

[andicole0]

I hate the idea of random grid mix up, but it does seem to be getting closer.
What about some sort of success penalty, maybe additional weight as in BTCC or how about - as we possibly have too many races - don't let the race winner or team compete in the next race.

Also what about an engine manufacturer championship alongside or in place of the team championship.
Andi.

 

[andicole0]

Bernie? Is that you?

Yes

I do worry we will get something stupid though.
Andi.

 

[andicole0]

And how would that work unless the manufacturers split supply equally across the teams?

Currently you have [insert large number] Mercedes PUs up against 2 McLaren ones. Well, 1 and a bit usually...

Yes, confirmed engine manufacturers would have to equally share the engines out. But Bernie was after a standard engine anyway.

8 Mercedes
6 Ferrari (2016)
2 Ferrari (2015)
2 TAG
2 Renault
2 Honda

Engines should be the same this year, Tag Heuer and Renault should be the same, so 8 Ferrari, 4 Tag Heuer/Renault, 2 Honda and 8 Mercedes engines.
Andi.

 

[andicole0]

Bernie wasn't after a standard engine (not this time round anyway), he was after an independent engine, i.e one available at a fixed, low price to teams from a supplier that did not own or have any involvement with an existing F1 team.

Also, what do you mean engines "should be the same"? They aren't this year, and the rules allow them to have many different configurations across the grid even from the same supplier. There can be prior year spec, current year launch spec, and current year upgraded spec of which there may be multiple. In theory, with 5 engines per season and the cut off for homoligation being before the season starts, there's 7 different specs of engine that could be used per manufacturer throughout a single season.

Not the way I understood it.
Andi.

 

[andicole0]

Which bit?

Tag Heuer is just a badged Renault 2016 engine, 2015 engines are not allowed all customer engines must be at least the homologated version. Changes are then srtictly limited by the token system and as far as I've heard so far none of the teams are using token updates on one teams engines - yet
Andi.

 

[andicole0]

Oh yes -

"The first hurdle was cleared on Wednesday when the FIA granted permission for Ferrari to supply Toro Rosso with a 2015-spec unit.

The current regulations do not allow for two different specifications of power unit from one manufacturer to be used in a single season, with special dispensation required from the FIA."
Andi.

 

[andicole0]

2 out of the 3 seasons of the V6s have seen at least one team running year old engines.

I was surprised Torro Rosso were allowed to do this. Now they seem to be stuck with it as Sauber and Haas have been offered the latest Ferrari update.
Andi.

 

[andicole0]

Maybe STR will take Saubers engine as it looks like they may not be around much longer, unless Alfa turn up.

Gone off topic a bit so how should F1 spice up non race days? I'm thinking of starting to watch WEC, but I think those are a bit too long and would need some better presentation and more air time. I watched some WTC the other day, wow that was boring a stream of looky likey cars.
Maybe differnt classes in F1 like WEC, based on budget spend or power limitations. It could create more overtakes (and possibly collisions).
Andi.

 

[andicole0]

I was specifically referring to fans track side, as the "people saying Saturdays are boring and pointless" are the Race Promoters, who are primarily interested in ticket sales.

Very few of the races run unsupported by at least something.

This is true. Some actual racing on practice and quali days might help attendances. Bring some WEC along Lets see how a real hybrid car goes in comparison.

Yes I know last year WEC was 20 seconds a lap slower but I'd be interested what an F1 car would do over 6 hours.
Andi.