F1 Testing 2012 - Week 3, Barcelona

BBC F1 technical analyst Gary Anderson
"Up and down the pit lane all the technical directors seem to agree this will be the closest season for years. It means teams will be punished for any small mistake - you could lose 10 grid places if you get it even slightly wrong. It should be a great year."

I know its testing blah blah blah but please lets this be true.
 
Mr Jack said:
Yeah, they're really not.
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If they weren't, they wouldn't be able to expose vulnerabilities in software which is created by global giants. How many security updates do MS routinely release for their software...answer: loads.

If it werent for these "hackers", MS and other corporations would hardly ever need to issue security update/patches.
 
MissChief said:
I believe scarbs did work in the industry and for quite a while.
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not what his about page says
My name is Craig Scarborough, I’m a freelance journalist\illustrator who focuses solely on the Technology of F1.

I have followed the sport since the late seventies and have covered F1′s technical developments since 2000.
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people pay far to mcuh attention to his information and act like its gospel when its just his interpretation.

we all see the exact same photos he does and theres no insider knowledge unless you really believe team employees are leaking details to him.
 
You may have a point to be fair Arknor, Sparky off here even said that what Scarbs talks about barely scratches the surface.

I follow scarbs as he seems to have a good understanding of the technical side of things, far far better than you or I though.

He writes for Autosport Plus (Paid articles) so he must know what he's talking about!
 
Goates said:
BBC F1 technical analyst Gary Anderson
"Up and down the pit lane all the technical directors seem to agree this will be the closest season for years.
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I hope this is true, but my gut feeling (based on gut alone), tells me that this is going to be another Vettel/RBR benefit.

The only team I believed who were capable of stopping Vettel were Alonso/Ferrari (simply because they had a super aggressive approach to car design). Unfortunately, at this stage, this does not look likely.

Even if Vettel does not improve his driving skills, at worst, RBR will still end up with one of the best cars, being driven by one of the best drivers. At best, RBR will have the best car with the best driver. [personally, I believe Vettel may yet improve a little further, this season, to establish himself as the absolute best driver in F1]

This year's pre-season's hasn't really given me any indication on how this season is going to turn out. Very little has been given away, so we must wait to see what happens in Australia, before making any informed predictions on who is likely to be the 2012 WDC.

EDIT: another point I have thought about is that no team boss can ever say, during pre-season that "we are screwed" or similar. They have to say that they are reasonably pleased with our car OR not say anything at all. Why? Because of sponsors. If sponsors read negative comments before the season has even started, this won't go down too well. Also, from a marketing point of view, every employee of F1, has to drum up business and interest (ie. boost audience figures). They have to say, "this year will be the most exciting season ever"...or similar. Telling people that RBR are going to break records this season and admit that the season is an RBR benefit, is commercial suicide and there will be repercussions for the employee who states this.
 
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TaKeN said:
You may have a point to be fair Arknor, Sparky off here even said that what Scarbs talks about barely scratches the surface.
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Well this is to be expected. After all Scarbs does not work for RBR and does not have insider knowledge of what work RBR are working on, on a day to day basis.

TaKeN said:
I follow scarbs as he seems to have a good understanding of the technical side of things, far far better than you or I though.

He writes for Autosport Plus (Paid articles) so he must know what he's talking about!
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My feelings exactly. He may not have insider knowledge, but he is able to spot "things" that most other people do not. He seems to be obsessive about F1, which is what you what when reading articles by a (professional or amateur) F1 journalist.
 
i woldnt put any money on vettel/rbr running away with anything right now.

its far to close and isnt the legality of the exhaust ducts in the sidepod on the rbr/sauber beeing questioned by some teams?
 
arknor said:
its far to close and isnt the legality of the exhaust ducts in the sidepod on the rbr/sauber beeing questioned by some teams?
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When you have arguably one of, if not the best driver in F1, on your team, piloting one of, if not the best car in F1...legal exhaust or no legal exhaust, they are favourites to win the title, in my book.

Every year, other teams salivate over RBR's trick bits and attempt to get that car banned. And every single time, they fail. Based on those stats, my guess would be that even if other teams protest RBR's car...the protest will be quashed.

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Kimi Raikkonen Lotus 1:22.030 121laps
Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:22.250 114
Bruno Senna Williams 1:22.296 53
Nico Hulkenberg Force India 1:22.312 101
Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 1:22.386 72
Lewis Hamilton McLaren 1:22.430 115
Vitaly Petrov Caterham 1:22.795 101
Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1:22.939 100
Pastor Maldonado Williams 1:23.347 48
Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso 1:23.393 100
Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:23.608 23
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sunama said:
When you have arguably one of, if not the best driver in F1, on your team, piloting one of, if not the best car in F1...legal exhaust or no legal exhaust, they are favourites to win the title, in my book.

Every year, other teams salivate over RBR's trick bits and attempt to get that car banned. And every single time, they fail. Based on those stats, my guess would be that even if other teams protest RBR's car...the protest will be quashed.

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rbrs trick bits such as?
mercedes snowplow front wing coppy
mercedes exhaust position with saubers duct
mercedes double diffuser copy


RBR dont seem to have any trick bits they didnt borrow from other people this year yet newey still gets the glory for every one of those bits because of all the fanboys.

hes made some right stinkers over the years and just because the last 2 rbrs were good doesnt mean this one will be an absolute best car.

oh wait dont tell me they dont need the best car because they have vettel :rolleyes:
 
After weeks of endlessly shoving Mercedes fanatic garbage down our throats, arknor has topped it all off on the last day of testing by saying that this years Red Bull is just a blatant copy of the Mercedes.

That's right people, determined not to be beaten by the team who came 4th for the last 2 years, Adrian Newey has abandoned development of his all conquering RB6 and RB7 designs and instead decided to just copy Mercedes!
 
so your saying the rbr frontwing isnt a clone of the mercedes snowplow?

dont tell me the merc exshaust position , merc front wing snowplow amnd merc minidouble diffuser were all newey concepts but mercedes stole the data from neweys napkin left in a restaraunt and thats how they were able to have them on the car first
 
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For a guy who tries to stroll around here looking down his nose at people while pointing at his "I read F1 Technial forums" badge you really lack an understanding of F1 car development.

Are you seriously suggesting that Red Bull have been able to copy all those designs off of Merc in just 3 weeks?

Lol.
 
MissChief said:
I believe scarbs did work in the industry and for quite a while.
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so why doesnt he mention it in his about page ?

EDIT: his background is IT
Head of Business Systems
Vue Entertainment

Privately Held; 1001-5000 employees; Entertainment industry

November 2009 – Present (2 years 5 months)
Freelance Journalist\Illustrator
ScarbsF1.com

2000 – 2010 (10 years)

Since 200 I have covered the race by race development of F1 cars. Producing both written work and illustrations to explain to a wide range of audiences the technical intricacies of the contemporary F1 car.

My current outlets...
Motorsport Magazine
Automoto365.com
Racecar Engineering.com
Racecar Engineering magazine
Race Engine Technology Magazine
F1 Race Technology Magazine (Annual)
Scarbsf1.com
Twitter.com/ScarbsF1


I have contributed to the following outlets in the past few years...

Automoto365.com
Autosport.com
F1Racing Magazine
Motorsport Magazine
F1Express Magazine
Shanghai TV
Racecar Engineering Magazine
RaceTech Magazine
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F1 Race Technology Magazine (Annual)
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Comet

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Working New Projects for several different parts of the business

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ERP JDA (AS400)
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Mobile workforce management (Momote - O2 3G)
Commercial and Finance Planning tools (Cognos Planning)
HR data archiving solutions (HR-access & bespoke)
BI\Reporting (Microstrategy - Data Warehouses)

SOA – (IBM Websphere Process server)
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ETL – (Cognos controller)
Portal technology mash-ups and portlets (IBM Websphere Portal)
CRM – (Right now)
SLA management tools
Inventory and barcode management
Telephony – Hosted voice systems, BT Featurenet, workforce management, Skills based routing, IVR, Call Recording
Fleet Management (Transform)
Property management (Experian)
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Reporting to the M.D. I managed all of Dune’s I.S. services. Thus my role was both to manage the daily operation of the retail, web, warehouse and back office applications, plus set out the strategy to meet the businesses aims over the coming three years.

Initially the priority was to put best practice into place for all I.S. functions; proper documentation and change management to ensure I.S. systems were stable and available. This extended through to a fully tested D.R. plan, developed to meet the needs of the business users should a disaster happen.

As Dune are a multi channel business with; retail, concession, wholesale and web channels. Making stock available to all channels, via the Pro-Logic ERP system was a major challenge within the budgetary constraints of a medium sized retailer.

Projects to deliver BI reporting, improved planning and voice\data convergence were run. While a major strategic assessment of the current ERP solutions lead to recommendations to migrate within three years to meet the increasing challenge of multi-channel and to provide innovations with in-store technology.

Technology
ProLogic CIMS, EPOS & back Office
ITT to replace EPOS - Navision, SAP Beantree, Epicor, Cybertill
HP-UX Oracle Db
Sun Accounts
Torex Planning
Cognos BI
Microsoft Server Active Directory Exchange, SQL, SharePoint, Terminal Server
Snowdrop HR
Crystal Reports
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Ultra Electronics (controls)

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2003 – 2006 (3 years)

Reporting to the F.D. I managed all of this divisions I.S. services. Re-organizing the IT Dept and structuring the support processes. During a period of rapid expansion opening new offices and setting up two presences internationally (US and France) a lot of my time was spent managing project work.

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NT4.0 active directory upgrade
Netapps Storage upgrade\migration
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Secure Remote access (triple authentication with RSA tags)
Security and antivirus protection to UK ‘List X’ and US Dept of Defence standards
Web enabling forms with in HPUX ERP system

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Sun Accounts
Cognos BI
Microsoft Server Active Directory Exchange, SQL, SharePoint, Project server, Terminal Server
Citrix Presentation server Secure access gateway
NetApps SAN solution
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Cisco Switches router
Access HR
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Carat (Now Cartesis) Finance consolidation Package to bring non sage Finance into Dutch Exact Group Finance system
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Global Intranet solution
UK based Cisco Call Manager VOIP system
Migration to Cisco VPN and Firewall


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Bespoke developed ERP
Navision ERP
Sun Accounts, Sage accounts, Exact account
Crystal Reports

Microsoft Server Active Directory Exchange, SQL, Terminal Server
Citrix Presentation server\Secure access gateway
Dell NAS solutions
Cisco Switches, router, VOIP, Firewall, VPN concentrator
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wineplanet.co.uk

2001 – 2002 (1 year)

Australian based online Fine Wine business. I set up the IT for their European operation and established the Sage Enterprise based ERP\CRM system.
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Skeeter said:
I think its all become a bit of show now anyway. You could stick a trick front wing on and then spend all your time pretending to be hiding something at the rear end and nobody would notice the front :).

Theres got to be some benefit in making other teams think you have something fancy going on :). Like the RBR sitckers a couple of years back, or 'accidentally' letting their new car (which isn't their new car) be photographed before launch.

Its all a game.
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Been done before. Lotus with the Lotus 78. First car to incorporate ground effect. Car rear covered all the while. Parts removed from the car under cover and then hurried into a closed room. Made people think it was the diff and gearbox. It was in fact the whole underside of the car they were pulling interest from.
 
arknor said:
oh wait dont tell me they dont need the best car because they have vettel :rolleyes:
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As we have seen time and time again over the years, if a team has the best driver in F1, you can sometimes get away with not having the best car (and do very well in the WDC).

A great car can make up for the deficiencies of an average pilot and similarly a great pilot can make up for the deficiencies of an average car.

In 2010, we saw how Alonso (arguably the best driver in F1) was able to run the RBR cars, right down to the last race of the season. At the time Ferrari did not have the best ca and Vettel was not up to much - he certainly wasn't in the same class as Alonso.

In 2011, however, we saw a new improved Vettel, who some could argue is now one of, if not the, best driver in F1.

So, the answer to your subtle question, is that even if RBR do not produce the best car (which is unlikely), Vettel can still make up for the deficiencies of the vehicle. As long as RBR produce a car which is within striking distance, Vettel will definitely fancy his chances to win his 3rd WDC in a row.

I understand that you want to see someone else win the title this year...so do I. I am beginning to despise RBR and Vettel (for their domination), but sometimes, you have to face facts.
 
sunama said:
A great car can make up for the deficiencies of an average pilot and similarly a great pilot can make up for the deficiencies of an average car.

In 2011, however, we saw a new improved Vettel, who some could argue is now one of, if not the, best driver in F1.
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Given the first sentence quoted there, what makes you so sure it wasn't a 'new improved' car rather than Vettel which made the difference? What makes him now possibly the best driver on the grid, off the back of a season where he clearly had a massively quick car?
 
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