F1 testing week 3 Catalunya
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Button has only done 7 laps wtf is going on at the McLaren garage!.
The top 3 teams on the final day of testing were also the top 3 teams in the championship. I would say that's pretty strong correlation.
Hamilton is always going to go as fast as he can, as he is racer, cut from the same cloth as Mansell and Senna (ie. be fastest at all times). I would say that if Vettel and Alonso were taking part in that final test, then Hamilton would probably not have finished in 1st place.
Also, what I stated was that the final test will give us an indication of which cars will be fast in the first few GPs of the season...not the entire season. The reason for this is that as the season progresses, some teams go backwards, while others move forwards.
The finals test almost always gives a good indication of who will be fast during those opening GPs.
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You are priceless, you have now changed to it being the final tests being an indication of whose fastest after the guy posts a load of evidence contary to your previous ideas of fastest cars in testing always being fastest.
Why do you insist on comparing Senna and Hamilton as always wanting to be fastest at every test/practice etc. No one goes racing like that anymore, not even Lewis. He isn't trying to be fastest at every test, he's working through a testing program of changes that people far smarter than him come up with.
So many different tyres, fuel levels and set up parameters to work through.
Indeed. But then on the final day, especially the last few laps, a "true racer", in the mold of Senna/Mansell, would go out and try and be the fastest. This also provides a morale boost for the rest of the team back at base. This also gives the driver confidence that he has finished the test on a good note.
Oh and for evidence of this, you only need to see the testing times posted on the last day of last year...who finished up at No.1, in a car which was not the fastest...?
For all Hamilton knows, they could be restricting the car (taking a bit off the RPM for example) and will have a whole range of new parts coming, so no real point going flat out unless asked.
for all the drivers know the cars could be ballasted to be over weight or under weight in some cases.
theres no weight limits in testing , there is no parc ferme and the FIA dont care
Day 2 times
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89566
A second quicker than yesterday.
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[b]Pos Driver Team Time Laps[/b]
1. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m23.315s 104
2. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m23.519s + 0.204 97
3. Alonso Ferrari 1m23.978s + 0.663 90
4. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1m24.008s + 0.693 118
5. Heidfeld Renault 1m24.242s + 0.927 41
6. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m24.243s + 0.928 125
7. Rosberg Mercedes 1m24.730s + 1.415 131
8. Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m24.923s + 1.608 54
9. Di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m25.194s + 1.879 80
10. Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 1m26.421s + 3.106 58
11. Petrov Renault 1m26.884s + 3.569 61
12. Liuzzi HRT-Coswrorth 1m27.044s + 3.729 70
13. Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1m27.242s + 3.927 66
14. Teixeira Lotus-Renault 1m31.584s + 8.269 26A second quicker than yesterday.
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Still proves nothing but here you go...
Hamilton - McLaren - 1:20.472 - 134
Webber - Red Bull - 1:20.496 - 61
Massa - Ferrari - 1:20.539 - 114
It proves nothing because half the drivers aren't there and looking at the times Mclaren was faster than a ferrari. The times shimmy posted are all from the last 4 days of testing at barcelona prior to the first GP and the cars are all over the place. It doesn't account for when in the day the time was set, what compound and how much fuel or downforce was run.
Until the first race of the season it's just clutching at straws. Anyone can predict Ferrari, Red Bull and Mclaren will be the 3 fastest cars regardless of what the test results are.
Anyone sitting on an internet forum guessing real pace from those figures is wasting time. You need to physically see a car go through corners in comparison with some idea of downforce levels to even have a clue.
Of course, but this wouldn't stop a driver like Hamilton (or Mansell, Senna, G.Villeneuve, et all) from pushing to the limit, especially on the final few days of testing.
The drivers which I've noticed are able to hold back and remained disciplined are A.Prost, MSc (both masters of sticking rigidly to their brief), D.Hill, J.Button. I'm sure there are many more, but of all top racers, these are the guys who come to mind.
People who find it difficult to hold back are Hamilton, Mansel, Senna, G.Villeneuve. Once again, I'm sure there are more, but those are the names that stick to mind.
I still stand by what I stated earlier: if a team is fast in testing, then in general, they will also be fast when the season starts.
The testing times which were posted by GeneralD actually bear this out.
Its quite funny actually. GeneralD wanted to disprove my theory, but he ended up actually giving credence to it...
Disagree strongly with that one.
In 2009, pre-season testing showed that BrawnGP were fastest. They didn't turn up to the first test (or the 2nd...I think), but when they eventually did turn up, they were immediately fastest.
Button proceeded to win 6 of the first races of the season.
To be honest, I can keep reeling off these facts, but its getting a little boring now.
I certainly agree with that.
The testing times which were posted by GeneralD actually bear this out.
Its quite funny actually. GeneralD wanted to disprove my theory, but he ended up actually giving credence to it...
Actually they don't because in two of the tests Vettel was nowhere and I think you will find he was by far the fastest driver in 2010.
You keep reeling off those facts for us, lets see the test times for 2006/7/8 and 9. All sessions to give us a feeling of how accurate testing is.
Not to annoy everyone or fuel the argument more but the Brawn/Honda case is such an anomaly in F1 history, there have been so few times in the more modern era of F1 where a team has gone from the back of the grid (that old Honda had one good result with Rubens at Silverstone) to a real race winner, so its fairly easy to assume that some trends will continue (unless HRT's car has rocket boosters or something...)
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Soldato
Just spotted the Renault going down the pitlane, that black and gold livery looks great. It sounds a bit weird though with those new exhausts.