Facebook - Social disease ?

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...it does need to grow up, and become legally responsible for content.

Some excerpts below, but this piece of journalism is well worth a read
You Are the Product John Lanchester


Theresa May should win some European allies, plus voters, if she can get momentum/agreement on facebook/google legislation with her Davos speech. ... it's becoming a populist cause.


The benefit to humanity is not clear. This thought, or something like it, seems to have occurred to Zuckerberg, because the new mission statement spells out a reason for all this connectedness. It says that the new mission is to ‘give people the power to build community and bring the world closer together’.

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This focus attracted the attention of Facebook’s first external investor, the now notorious Silicon Valley billionaire Peter Thiel. Again, The Social Network gets it right: Thiel’s $500,000 investment in 2004 was crucial to the success of the company..

Thiel said. ‘Social media proved to be more important than it looked, because it’s about our natures.’ We are keen to be seen as we want to be seen, and Facebook is the most popular tool humanity has ever had with which to do that.
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Girard was a Christian, and his view of human nature is that it is fallen. We don’t know what we want or who we are; we don’t really have values and beliefs of our own; what we have instead is an instinct to copy and compare. We are homo mimeticus. ‘Man is the creature who does not know what to desire, and who turns to others in order to make up his mind. We desire what others desire because we imitate their desires.’ Look around, ye petty, and compare.


No company better exemplifies the internet-age dictum that if the product is free, you are the product. Facebook’s customers aren’t the people who are on the site: its customers are the advertisers who use its network and who relish its ability to direct ads to receptive audiences. Why would Facebook care if the news streaming over the site is fake? Its interest is in the targeting, not in the content.
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and Facebook works hard at avoiding responsibility for the content on its site – except for sexual content, about which it is super-stringent. Nary a nipple on show. It’s a bizarre set of priorities, which only makes sense in an American context, where any whiff of explicit sexuality would immediately give the site a reputation for unwholesomeness. Photos of breastfeeding women are banned and rapidly get taken down. Lies and propaganda are fine.

It simply doesn’t care where the content comes from. It is only now starting to care about the perception that much of the content is fraudulent, because if that perception were to become general, it might affect the amount of trust and therefore the amount of time people give to the site.
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What this means is that even more than it is in the advertising business, Facebook is in the surveillance business. Facebook, in fact, is the biggest surveillance-based enterprise in the history of mankind. It knows far, far more about you than the most intrusive government has ever known about its citizens. It’s amazing that people haven’t really understood this about the company. I’ve spent time thinking about Facebook, and the thing I keep coming back to is that its users don’t realise what it is the company does.
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The industry publication Ad Week estimates the annual cost of click fraud at $7 billion, about a sixth of the entire market. One single fraud site, Methbot, whose existence was exposed at the end of last year, uses a network of hacked computers to generate between three and five million dollars’ worth of fraudulent clicks every day

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The paper was titled ‘Association of Facebook Use with Compromised Well-Being: A Longitudinal Study’. The researchers found quite simply that the more people use Facebook, the more unhappy they are. In addition, they found that the positive effect of real-world interactions, which enhance well-being, was accurately paralleled by the ‘negative associations of Facebook use’. In effect people were swapping real relationships which made them feel good for time on Facebook which made them feel bad.
 
I've always called them anti-social media and have long known they cause negative feelings in people due to others showing how amazing their life is when in fact, it's twisted and warped to look like that.

However, the users are just as responsible for the content on there as Facebook, they are responsible for posting ****, for sharing **** and believing the **** that is posted.

If I wasn't running a business through it I would probably get rid altogether.
 
I deleted my account about 3 years ago now. It' IS a disease. It needs to die.
My thoughts as well.
Deleted my account for the 3rd or 4th time on the 28th December.
I won't be going back this time either,it was my 50th birthday this week and out of all the friends on Facebook only one sent a text wishing me a happy birthday (I'm not bothered about birthdays) it does seem people run there lives by Facebook thiugh and can't do without it for there social fix.
 
Same. I use it to keep in touch with people all over the world and my matched betting stuff but that's it. People posting random crap and what they had for dinner doesn't interest me in the slightest.

What I do wonder though is the age profiles of users. I think us old farts are just outgrowing it tbh.
 
Yeah I overall think it's negative. Or causes massive narcissism and jealousy etc etc.
I do have it, like looking through the wildlife groups but I'm very glad to I didn't grow up with it. That's where I think it does the most damage
 
My thoughts as well.
Deleted my account for the 3rd or 4th time on the 28th December.
I won't be going back this time either,it was my 50th birthday this week and out of all the friends on Facebook only one sent a text wishing me a happy birthday (I'm not bothered about birthdays) it does seem people run there lives by Facebook thiugh and can't do without it for there social fix.

This is exactly what I am talking about. It's ridiculous.

Happy belated 50th!
 
I really detest FB sometimes. Hidden amongst the dire banality of photos of people's dinners (and I don't mean haute cuisine, I'm talking drab, beige Sunday roasts) and attention seekers, was notification that an old friend's father had passed away, which I only found by chance.
 
Never used it. Actually that's a lie, I have one account which is under an obviously fake name and is only used when something requires you to 'like' a particular thing to gain a game code or enter a competition.
 
Never used it. Actually that's a lie, I have one account which is under an obviously fake name and is only used when something requires you to 'like' a particular thing to gain a game code or enter a competition.

Good man. You are also saving yourself from losing brain cells meanwhile you continue to not use it.
 
Not sure what the fuss and drama is about - sure there are some elements that maybe need a bit more attention in moderating them but overall Facebook is largely what you make of it and its possible to filter what you see and minimise the amount of information you give it. While things like "fake news" shouldn't be given free reign if people are taken in by that kind of thing they need to learn those lessons for themselves and/or if it isn't stuff on Facebook they are falling for it will be elsewhere - there is only so far you can protect people from their own stupidity.
 
If i can just carry on living my life without needing to delete facebook or check it every 30 seconds, i am sure others can too.

How much of a bad experience do you have to have to feel so strongly about something like facebook?
 
I do maintain the opinion that the sort of people that feel they need to delete FB because it's, without delving deeply, getting to them, have a problem of some sort already.

I've been in that place where I want to cut social media out completely, but honestly, it's not social media that is the problem, think of them as tools, it's how you view and use them that matters.

I have got rid of Instagram though because imo it's narcissism central. Even I caught myself uploading pictures that aren't worth remembering.

If your news feed is full of crap, that's your own doing, it's the people and pages you follow, there's no other excuse for it.
 
Absolutely ridiculous the way some people are bleating on about it in here. One minute there’s a massive thread with people whinging about the openness of the internet being threatened and the nanny state, then they want to get rid of something on the Internet because they make their own judgement on it being an anti social “disease”. If you don’t like it don’t use it, but don’t try to oppress your views on others by saying it should be shut down.
 
the problem lies in that for many (Internet computer forums notwithstanding) not being on facebook is seen as odd and antisocial, now on the one hand it's easy to dismiss these people as the kind of folk you don't want to associate with, at least until you realize just how many of them there are.

like in all things, in moderation its fine, it's an excellent networking tool for keeping in touch with folk. where the problem lies is when you start to use it too much/too often, then like any other addiction it takes hold and slowly starts to ruin you.
 
Dont mind a bit of FB banter but really tired of scrolling through endless adds and ***** it pedals to you. Not to mention 99% of my "friends" are boring.

Deactivated account a few weeks ago. :)
 
The follow button is the best thing. I follow about 10 people, but more interested in groups. I still don't think it does going kids any favours.
 
I think it is a fantastic tool, and as good as you make it. I keep a very narrow circle of friends and pages I follow, have membership of three or four groups that are specific to my interests, admin a motorbike owners group and follow a few businesses and people. The options available to customise what you see are pretty compressive as are the options to secure your privacy. There's no doubt at all about what Facebook uses your information for, but I don't have a problem with it based on what information I provide. As a tool to keep in touch with the people or topics that are meaningful to me it is great.

Clearly not for everyone though, and some react poorly to it - that's more likely to be their problem. There's no doubting the size and influence of it though, clearly evidenced when the act of removing an account from the site is seen as a social achievement badge.
 
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