False bans for games, A real thing?

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New big shooter comes out and the usual crys of "ive been banned and ive never cheated" are bouncing round the internet.

People are saying its iCue, Logitech G Hub, discord, anything with an overlay blah blah blah.

Has anyone ever had a genuine false positive ban? One guy i know from back in the day claims he got tagged for running VMs on his gaming rig, but that was on a MMO.

I'm so out of touch with PC gaming (main stream shooters anyway) I'm wondering if any of these apps are a real risk. So many apps run with overlays these days (Discord, all the game launchers, Afterburner, Geforce etc) it can't be as simple as that.

Back in the days of barrysworld i used to spend huge chunks of my nights kicking cheats from UT servers, but that was a very manual process, join the game watch them and see if they were actively cheating, and the Mods had a pretty high bar for triggering a ban. Most people who were sus would see and admin join and just leave, that and the tools you had were very limited, banning IPs etc cause it wasnt accounts or HWIDS back then.

Is there anything I shouldn't have installed, apart from the EAZY WIN Aimbot 9000 HAX0RZ system that my little brother downloaded from some seedy underbelly of the internet, honest i've never cheated.
 
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My naughty son was using some sort of changes on COD years and years ago on my pc and got me VAC banned on it. Not that I care as I don't play it. I didn't even notice it for years.
 
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9 times out of 10 they aren't false bans - mostly bans for overlays, etc. are temporary but false positives have happened.

Common one is people being naive about things like reshade in a multiplayer game then surprised when they get banned so not always cheating but in my experience the vast majority are banned for a good reason.

I have seen people whose play style has tripped things like Fairfight though and only because they have extensive footage meant they were able to overturn the ban.
 
oooo so is reshade a bannable offence ? dont get me wrong i despise cheating in games, but i know a lot use reshade in elite dangerous and i was thinking about using it myself.

also use voice attack which whilst i know is fine for elite could be argued gives an advantage i suppose in some games. Personally i am totally not a competative gamer and i despise cheaters in online games.

but i do like 3rd party apps which either increase immersion (voice attack) or improves eye candy (reshade)
 
Does FD have anticheat on elite? I honestly can't remember ever seeing it, or ever seeing a cheat, griefing idiots back in the day ramming you outside Jamerson memorial sure or gankings at engineers outposts yes but not cheaters. That said i have limited play in open. Elite is a chill out game for me that i go through phases of playing every night for hours and then not touching for months.

I guess you'd have to check FDs forums, though i know a lot of people do CFG file tweaks for graphics to change the look of the game.
 
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Not a ban, but I did genuinely get kicked from games of Red Orchestra 2 all the time by the anti cheat for no reason. I could be playing fine, encounter what felt like a massive lag spike, then a message saying 'Speed hack detected!' would pop up on screen before I'd be kicked. I ended up being auto banned from half the servers and the game became unplayable, funnily enough it worked absolutely fine throughout the alpha/beta.

The support was horrendous, threads and posts from people describing the same thing kept getting deleted, forum accounts suspended, just a real bad experience that put me off ever going back after patches. Shame as I really enjoyed what little time I put into that game.
 
Yes. Me. On this very sodding game. I played 57 mins of single player Thursday 20th October. Banned next time I went to try it following Monday. Finally got around to appealing the ban Thursday 27th. After I put the appeal in,I went to play two games of warzone (not played since king kong vs Godzilla event), before that I had played nearly 200 hours of mw and warzone.

On Friday 28th my appeal was rejected and I was under review (and since banned) on warzone and mw.

I have iCue and an anti virus installed, not sure which one has triggered it.
 
Way, way back in the day I used to admin a Medal of honor server and people would go to extreme lengths to cheat. I caught one via screenshot who changed all the German vehicle textured to completely white so tanks and other vehicles would stick out a mile away.
 
MissChief said:
Way, way back in the day I used to admin a Medal of honor server and people would go to extreme lengths to cheat. I caught one via screenshot who changed all the German vehicle textured to completely white so tanks and other vehicles would stick out a mile away.
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Yea I used to admin Bry's servers on Natural Selection which was another half life mod.

Lots of regulars used to play so wasn't too bad as you knew most people.
 
BUDFORCE said:
Yea I used to admin Bry's servers on Natural Selection which was another half life mod.

Lots of regulars used to play so wasn't too bad as you knew most people.
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That was also the case on the BF3 & 4 servers I frequented. You'd get to know the players and the regulars. None of that now with random, individual servers. :(
 
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Way, way back in the day I used to admin a Medal of honor server and people would go to extreme lengths to cheat. I caught one via screenshot who changed all the German vehicle textured to completely white so tanks and other vehicles would stick out a mile away.
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Glo Skins and WH were the rage when i played MoH.

At the end of one match the admin had us all line up and take some "celebratory" photos of the 2 teams and had the person who we all thought was cheating send in the photos. Admin sneakily forced a screenshot and when the guy forwarded the photos folder there were 'normal' photos and 1 photo where one team was neon red and the other neon blue - banned.
 
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Glo Skins and WH were the rage when i played MoH.

At the end of one match the admin had us all line up and take some "celebratory" photos of the 2 teams and had the person who we all thought was cheating send in the photos. Admin sneakily forced a screenshot and when the guy forwarded the photos folder there were 'normal' photos and 1 photo where one team was neon red and the other neon blue - banned.
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Sadly these days most of the cheat engine can defeat anti-cheat screenshot functionality and few games support the server forcing a screenshot command anyhow - even Quake engine games aren't supposed to support it but some of the competitive/pro mods have such functionality.

The best way by far to defeat cheating is having community servers with active (and good) admins - sadly something a lot of studios these days have turned away from especially stripping things like admin spectator mode from the game.

I got a lot of **** for calling out cheaters back in the day in the months leading up to the first Punk Buster release - usually backed up with spectated recordings - was interesting to see them all banned with the first wave. It is something that is always tricky but the disconnection between aim and movement fine tuning which is inherent to most people's use of aimbots stands out to me - only a few very very high level players are like that but usually you can tell from their overall accomplished level of play if that is the case - but sometimes you do get the exception.
 
My guess is the anti cheat picking up on icues ability to use macros, since you can make macros to help with recoil, shooting speed etc.
 
montymint said:
My guess is the anti cheat picking up on icues ability to use macros, since you can make macros to help with recoil, shooting speed etc.
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I didn't even know you could....I just use it to make my fans turn red the next time my CPU cooler decides it no longer wants to pump water around.

The biggest problem I have right now with my own ban is:
  • I have no way of telling what triggered the system, with the appeals system telling me I was banned for "unauthorized software and manipulation of game data". No ifs. Not buts. That's it, you're out. Was it icue? My antivirus? Something else?
  • I have no way to speak to an actual human to discuss the above
  • It was 57 mins of single player before multiplayer was released
 
i agree if you are banned from something imo the least you should expect is the opportunity to see the reasons why you were banned to allow you to defend your case.
i get that in principle this info may theoretically make it easier for actual cheaters to get around blocks, but in truth, cheaters find a way anyway...... but honest players unfairly tagged need to be able to have a recourse.
 
I have msi afterburner running with riv tuner in the background when playing so i can see the temps, fps etc of my system when playing, so far ive been fine but after reading this im almost scared to have them running now lol
 
Yes its a thing.
I got Perma'd from PUBG for apparently 'Cheating'....the last game I played I took an absolute potshot at a player I barely see through a scope behind a tree and downed him with a headshot. If I'd took that shot another 99 times they would have all missed. Can only think I got reported for that as nothing else comes to mind.

I had something like a 0.75 K/D, was very average and have only ever won a handful of games and have never ever been banned from any other game in my life right from Quake III / UT99 days.
 
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