My main point was the DDR4 bandwidth, my AM5 based system blows the old 10970XE away in most regards. Quad channel DDR5 would be nice and the extra PCIe lanes, nothing really approaches my level of affordability. The X299 platform was surprisingly cheap for a quad channel 18 core processor and motherboards were good value too.
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Fastest DDR 4 platform?
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My main point was the DDR4 bandwidth, my AM5 based system blows the old 10970XE away in most regards. Quad channel DDR5 would be nice and the extra PCIe lanes, nothing really approaches my level of affordability. The X299 platform was surprisingly cheap for a quad channel 18 core processor and motherboards were good value too.
IIRC it’s about 90gbs on those era systems. TRX40 is 128 with 4 DIMMs and even better if all slots are populated. IIRC you also get 88 pcie gen 4 lanes as apposed to 44 gen 3 lanes on cascade lake. The 10970 was also well over £1000 and boards about £400 so not really cheap either.
I don’t think X299 was as great as people recall TBH.
I did specify they weren't better, high temps and failure rates are part of the reason why
but the question was what's faster.
but the question was what's faster.
Sure. But then isn't a golden sample on an LN2 suicide run faster still?!
I’m not sure, but I know the performance is significantly reduced. I suppose it depends on how fast you can get the system to run stably. I think you need a very special CPU, motherboard and RAM though.
Unless the OP has a 9070XT or 4080 and above ride with the 5900X was a while longer as the 5800X3D/5700X3D have the same problem now that the 9900K had when I had my 8700K.
The cost to upgrade to 9900K was too expensive to the point where it was cheeper for me to move to a second hand z690 and a 12600K and keep my DDR4. Side grading to AM4 at the time was a no go as no 5800X3D was not out at the time.
Moving to a 5800X3D when they came out was not an option as I managed to get a very good deal on a 13600K which cost me £35 after selling the 12600K and the cost of that was over a £100+ cheeper then the 5800X3D as it only been out a while.
I find that platform longevity is not all that its cracked up to be as the best in slot CPU goes up in price so much that it makes unviable as it happened with my 8700K. The 7700K also was a no go when I had my 6600K which prompted my move to a z370 and a 8600K and now the AM4 has a simillar issue with the X3D cpus.
The cost to upgrade to 9900K was too expensive to the point where it was cheeper for me to move to a second hand z690 and a 12600K and keep my DDR4. Side grading to AM4 at the time was a no go as no 5800X3D was not out at the time.
Moving to a 5800X3D when they came out was not an option as I managed to get a very good deal on a 13600K which cost me £35 after selling the 12600K and the cost of that was over a £100+ cheeper then the 5800X3D as it only been out a while.
I find that platform longevity is not all that its cracked up to be as the best in slot CPU goes up in price so much that it makes unviable as it happened with my 8700K. The 7700K also was a no go when I had my 6600K which prompted my move to a z370 and a 8600K and now the AM4 has a simillar issue with the X3D cpus.
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Depends on the platform. I’ve gone from a day one 1800 all the way to a 5950 which has been fantastic. literally 3x the performance over 6-7 years on the same system. AM5 is looking the same, I’ll more than double the performance with a 9950X3D-2 and then hopefully have an upgrade to a Zen6 24c XD3 part before jumping on a day one AM6 platform. Amazballz!
Sure the 14900 is faster but personally would pick the 14700 especially if using 250 watt profile the difference in gaming is tiny while there is a significant price difference and though failure rates so far are pretty low the i9 chips are significantly more likely to be affected.
Off the top of my head the 14700K is a much better option than anything on the AM4 platform unless you are really bothered by power draw, for productivity the 5950X etc. can't touch it and the X3D chips trail it in gaming.
But what is the fastest? It’s definitely not a 14700 paired with DDR4 that’s for sure.
14700 is still going to be faster than pretty much anything else even with the performance hit Vs DDR5 which is usually less than 10%, on DDR4 the difference between the 14700 and 14900 is also reduced outside of where the cache counts or some multi threaded workloads so again makes the 14900 not a great option.
EDIT: That assumes using fairly fast 4000, etc. kits if using something like 3400-3600 with generic timings I'm not sure off the top of my head.
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A 14th gen Intel system is most definitely not a good option at all especially in a DDR4 configuration. The 14700 definitely isn’t the fastest DDR4 system possible. Probably not even top 5 even with bonkers fast DDR4 which would be a long shot to even attempt.
I’m sure the correct answer for the OP is a 5950X.
It's not though, best option yes possibly and probably the way I would go if I was looking for something core heavy on ddr4 but the question was fastest and it's not....
With some pedestrian speed DDR4 vs fairly high performance DDR5 the 14th gen takes a bit of a hit but it would still keep it above the AM4 platform:
With some performance DDR4 the performance impact is relatively tame:
If you are running like 6000-6400MT RAM like a lot of people and reviewers are with the 14th gen the difference is even less contrasting - this review with 6000MT for example:
Intel Core i7-14700K Review - Catching the 13900K
Intel Core i7-14700K is the only processor released today with an upgraded core configuration. Thanks to an additional four E-Cores, more cache and a 200 MHz frequency bump, the 14700K reaches performance quite close to the 13900K, at much better pricing.
The 14700K would have to lose a horrendous amount of performance, which is doesn't, just to fall to parity with the chips like the 5950X - with reasonable performance DDR4 RAM it is still going to be faster. It is probably the 3rd fastest on DDR4 and definitely a better option than the 13900/14900K in most cases.
Sure if someone is already on the AM4 platform it doesn't make much sense to go to the hassle of switching.
EDIT: Dunno the validity of this video but closest I can find to a 14700K comparison:
It meshes with information on other sites that have some authority.
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The fastest is something Threadripper based.
Sure if you want massive multi-core performance but it'll trail many other options for single-threaded, latency sensitive threaded tasks and gaming use so not sure how you'd qualify what was the fastest CPU overall.
And it would be a bit rich to complain about Intel's power use then suggest something like the 5995WX...
And it would be a bit rich to complain about Intel's power use then suggest something like the 5995WX...
With some pedestrian speed DDR4 vs fairly high performance DDR5 the 14th gen takes a bit of a hit but it would still keep it above the AM4 platform:
With some performance DDR4 the performance impact is relatively tame:
If you are running like 6000-6400MT RAM like a lot of people and reviewers are with the 14th gen the difference is even less contrasting - this review with 6000MT for example:
Intel Core i7-14700K Review - Catching the 13900K
Intel Core i7-14700K is the only processor released today with an upgraded core configuration. Thanks to an additional four E-Cores, more cache and a 200 MHz frequency bump, the 14700K reaches performance quite close to the 13900K, at much better pricing.www.techpowerup.com
The 14700K would have to lose a horrendous amount of performance, which is doesn't, just to fall to parity with the chips like the 5950X - with reasonable performance DDR4 RAM it is still going to be faster. It is probably the 3rd fastest on DDR4 and definitely a better option than the 13900/14900K in most cases.
Sure if someone is already on the AM4 platform it doesn't make much sense to go to the hassle of switching.
EDIT: Dunno the validity of this video but closest I can find to a 14700K comparison:
It meshes with information on other sites that have some authority.
The 13/14 gen are horrendous enough with DDR5.
Now you are just trolling.
A 24 core 3000 Threadripper would beat a DDR4 14900 system in multi thread, but the motherboards are really holding there value just now. If you wan to chase single performance then DDR5 is a must anyway making the point moot.
So what is fastest?
I’m not. Intels 13/14 gen was a blunder by Intel. Monumental and shameful mistakes were made.