Fedora 8 and a new user

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I have had half hearted plays with Linux before, and having decided to format and re install Windows XP on my desktop PC I thought I'd have a look at how things are these days. I tried installing Ubuntu 7.10 on my old Compaq 600c and nearly became suicidal as it flagged I/O FD0 errors on loading and has defied all attempts for me to fix this, including some arcane boot up string addition (and why the hell SHOULD I have to try and fix this, a laptop sans floppy isn't a three legged chicken, now, is it...?) So I am nearly finished downloading a full DVD of Fedora 8. I am hoping this will load cleanly on both machines. My first question is, does it have a proper application installer, to seamlessly load new software like Windows has? And can I uninstall without leaving the detritus that Windows apps leave hidden in every corner? Thanks. I am hoping that this will show how much linux has come "on" since I last played a couple of years ago, but I must say, if I am totally honest, I think that it will still wrankle as an OS that's geeky, with absurd names for files, apps and a general reliance on pseudonyms and an assumption all users wish to look under the bonnet, rather than just use the software. I hope I am wrong.
 
Hi,

IMHO half of the points you raise are subjective, especially the remarks about file and app naming (Windows is as guilty of this). Half the point of Linux is that you CAN look under the bonnet and take full control, so if you don't like an OS that will allow you to do that then Linux will never really satisfy you. Having that power and control over your PC is half the point of having FOSS on there to begin with :)

I use F8 myself, and it's a great OS. However for what you're after it will probably be too hands on. You'd have to manually set up the third party repos and add multimedia support for example.

When you ask about a proper application installer 'like Windows has', are you referring to Windows' .exe format? Linux loads software from the repos as easily as (and much MORE seamlessly than) Windows. But you probably already knew that.

Having read your post twice, if you're going to try a flavour of Linux and want it to "just work" I'd suggest you check out Linux Mint. It has all the multimedia (codecs, flash, JRE etc) set up out of the box, and "just works". As it's based on Ubuntu, it has graphical tools for just about every requirement, so no need to touch the CLI if you don't want to (though you're missing out on a great tool). Further, Mint is able (just like Debian, Ubuntu etc) to install from .deb files downloaded from the internet. Basically they're the same as Windows .exe files in that you download them, double click and click "OK" to install and you're away.

Mint also has Mint Update and a Software Portal for software packages which is in addition to the standard OS repos (it holds customised .deb files, which Mint calls .mint files - examples include Amarok, Gnome Games, etc).

Fedora, or indeed just about any distro these days, is easy to use if you're willing to sit down and do a little learning. Or rather, as a Windows user, some "un-learning". I tend to find that folks with little PC experience (even of Windows) adapt to Linux quicker because they don't have to "un-learn" their Windows stuff first. JMHO.

Again, if you want an OOTB experience and don't want to use the CLI or utilise the full power of your box, a basic install of Mint will suit you better. Whatever you try, do try your best to drop the preconceptions and expectations - you'll have a better experience for it.

All the best, and good luck whatever you choose.

EDIT - BTW, Linux has far superior management to Windows. So no, you won't need to worry about detritus being left all over your hard drive, and there is no 'registry' to get clogged up. Just in the same way that Linux doesn't need defragging, as the way it utilises your drive means all files are by their nature contiguous (unless, maybe, you have less than 5% or 10% free space remaining).
 
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Nice post Rainmaker, thanks for taking the time to offer advice. I'll have a look at Mint, I am just playing at the moment, so no big deal in wiping and trying a few variations. One thing I do NEED to get working is VNC, to allow me to view and operate my main Windows PC from my Linux enabled laptop. With Fedora 8 I can access files via a cabled network, on the Windows PC, which is called emu, but VNC fails to find this PC, which does have VNC server running. The laptop finds it and runs VNC fine under Windows though. Do I have to do something other than load VNC under Fedora 8 to make it work? Thanks again.
 
Another vote for Mint and I suppose of some of the sentiments expressed in the initial response.

A lot of the comments the OP made are fairly typical of a Windows user coming to Linux and shouldn't be discounted. But they are subjective and users going the other way (from *nix to Windows) are even more critical in my experience.

All I can say is try and keep an open mind - obvious things like a different file structure and naming conventions, permissions etc are something each user will just have to deal with - they are a fact of life with a new operating system architecture.

Having spent a fair bit of time with both families of OS now I have formed the opinion that Windows generally does things in 'Easy Mode' while *nix systems expose all of the granular controls to users allowing supreme flexibility and choice but often putting off the casual user who isn't used to this. Too much choice can be daunting while too little can be infuriating.

The best middle ground I can offer is OSX - its supremely elegant to use as a desktop yet has very flexible underpinnings if you really must expose them. Of course you have to buy a Mac, but then you could run Linux, Windows and OSX if you so desire.
 
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Nice post Rainmaker, thanks for taking the time to offer advice. I'll have a look at Mint, I am just playing at the moment, so no big deal in wiping and trying a few variations. One thing I do NEED to get working is VNC, to allow me to view and operate my main Windows PC from my Linux enabled laptop. With Fedora 8 I can access files via a cabled network, on the Windows PC, which is called emu, but VNC fails to find this PC, which does have VNC server running. The laptop finds it and runs VNC fine under Windows though. Do I have to do something other than load VNC under Fedora 8 to make it work? Thanks again.

I'm using Fedora core 6 myself at present, had a load of problems getting 7 and 8 to work under VMWare. Not sure if this is too useful but have a butchers neways

http://www.g-loaded.eu/2005/11/10/configure-vnc-server-in-fedora/
 
I think the OP is trying to use the VNC viewer in Fedora to control his Windows PC, rather than the other way round with the server on Fedora :).

How are you trying to connect - just entering the Windows PC's IP address into the viewer? I guess if you tried using name instead of IP it might not work, but the viewer on my Fedora 7 workstation and a default server install on an XP machine worked straightaway. You could check the port is open by telnetting to 5800/5900 as well.
 
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