Fermenting bin or demijohn - Homebrew advice

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Just wondering what people think is better for homebrew wine, i've got a couple of glass 1 gallon demijohns but want to start doing larger batches of wine.

Any major differences in a plastic fermentation bin, a glass demijohn or a plastic demijohn? Looking at 5 gallon variety.
 
I like my 5 Gal clear plastic demijohn for apfelwein, gives you a good idea of clarity which I find important.

Beer I keep to fermenting bin due to the much larger build-up of foamy stuff (which does have a proper name but eludes me now :D).

Never made wine, so hard to say, do you get much build-up with wine? Does it vary? If not I can't see why demijohn's won't do the job. If you want a bigger one, plastic 5gal ones are ~£14 :)
 
No difference, as long as you get food grade plastic.

Glass is stupidly expensive, but it does look quite good.

I use 5 gallon blue plastic water containers for everything (including EdWorts apfelwein - clarity has never been a problem with me, you quickly learn timings), though if I'm experimenting with a new recipe that I'm not sure if it'll be nice then I use a one gallon plastic demijohn.
My friends use the same 5 gallon plastic things that I do and their experimental batches they use the big 3 litre ribena containers.

Temperature is far more important than containers.
 
Out of interest, how is plastic (assuming PET or similar grade) not suitable? It's totally inert and non-porous isn't it?

As I understand it, it should be entirely inert but it is slightly (very slightly) oxygen permeable and so will slowly, slowly oxidise your brew. Not a problem for beer - it's not there long enough - but it is a problem for long wine fermentations. It's also harder to get such a good seal round the bung and airlock.
 
As I understand it, it should be entirely inert but it is slightly (very slightly) oxygen permeable and so will slowly, slowly oxidise your brew. Not a problem for beer - it's not there long enough - but it is a problem for long wine fermentations. It's also harder to get such a good seal round the bung and airlock.

I needed to get my bung and airlock through the lid of my big plastic drums.
I used a hammer, and nails. Shoved it in, and then put blu-tac around hole.
Wonder how oxygen permeable that is :D
Never had any problems with any of my brews!

Think it's one of these things that COULD bring problems, but realistically they probably won't. There are far more important things that need to be controlled than oxygen permeable containers.
 
As I understand it, it should be entirely inert but it is slightly (very slightly) oxygen permeable and so will slowly, slowly oxidise your brew. Not a problem for beer - it's not there long enough - but it is a problem for long wine fermentations. It's also harder to get such a good seal round the bung and airlock.

Ah cool. My apfelwein sits in one a few months sometimes, I wonder if that does anything to it then.

Glass does look nice, but is so damned expensive and difficult to lug around.
 
Just wondering what people think is better for homebrew wine, i've got a couple of glass 1 gallon demijohns but want to start doing larger batches of wine.

Any major differences in a plastic fermentation bin, a glass demijohn or a plastic demijohn? Looking at 5 gallon variety.

Plastic is possible, but... over time, no matter what you do it or what kind of plastic it's made from, the surface accumulates tiny scratches which means that your disinfection agent no longer wets those parts and bacteria thus have a refuge. Topnotch wine kits can cost about £120, and after you toiled for 7 hour to put an all-grain brew together, it really sucks if your plastic bucket poisons your brew :eek:

Buy a stainless steel 10 gallon corny keg (they do exists, I have one), they are easy to clean (just roll on the floor) and safe. Or if you can't find one, get a large stainless steel stock cooking pot from a professional kitchen supply shop, and you have to option of opening a soupkitchen in a pinch :D Plus you can disinfect that one on the cooker, very handy.

Don't buy a large glass demijohn, as nice as they look, they are dangerous and the brewing lists are full of people who ended up in hospital with huge gashes and sliced tendons etc. Plus 23l+ of wort on the floor is a serious mess. If you *really* have to have one, buy yours from brouwland.com in Belgium, they sell them up to 54l with a basket, which is a bit safer than without. That said, it costs over half of what a keg or cooking pot costs, so, the keg/pot is not unattractive here, at least you can't smash it (and sometimes glass just goes *ping* just standing there).

My way of doing things is to ferment the 30 bottle wine kits in the big corny keg, and then fill it into 5 1-gal glass demijohns for secondary, keep one empty one about so you can move the wine alone as you rack it. I prefer the small DJs simply because it's easier to move about for me without making the yeast swirl up, and if I goof, then only a small part of my batch is lost.
 
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