Fermi yields are fine, 512-core version TBA

[Kelt]

When does the future start? :/

Tomorrow.

 

[rounddodger]

Yes, but the green fanboys don't see it like that. It's like "ZOMG Nvidia can do no wrong!!11" and thats why their products will always sell

Couldn't agree more with your post

I couldn't give a flying flip about NV's business 'ethics'. They are a business at the end of the day and of course they want their cards to be seen as having 'more capabilities' or 'exclusive software features' regardless of their actual worth, it does work and fair play to them.

All this ethics nonsense is starting to grate, I mean seriously why does it bother you so much? It's not like NV are operating GPU-sweatshops paying 1p a day to orphans or such nastiness.

The only thing that has concerned me really was the blocking use of an NV GPU for PhysX when the main card is an ATI. Bit puzzling to say the least.

 

[kylew]

I couldn't give a flying flip about NV's business 'ethics'. They are a business at the end of the day and of course they want their cards to be seen as having 'more capabilities' or 'exclusive software features' regardless of their actual worth, it does work and fair play to them.

All this ethics nonsense is starting to grate, I mean seriously why does it bother you so much? It's not like NV are operating GPU-sweatshops paying 1p a day to orphans or such nastiness.

The only thing that has concerned me really was the blocking use of an NV GPU for PhysX when the main card is an ATI. Bit puzzling to say the least.

Because they ruin games for people who don't own nVidia graphics cards?

Come on, don't act like there's no problem with that.

 

[fornowagain]

Imo they just pushed out the card too quick, they should have waited for Rev.2 maybe?
Although it was late by a long shot already.

Already on A3 silicon.

 

[drunkenmaster]

I couldn't give a flying flip about NV's business 'ethics'. They are a business at the end of the day and of course they want their cards to be seen as having 'more capabilities' or 'exclusive software features' regardless of their actual worth, it does work and fair play to them.

All this ethics nonsense is starting to grate, I mean seriously why does it bother you so much? It's not like NV are operating GPU-sweatshops paying 1p a day to orphans or such nastiness.

The only thing that has concerned me really was the blocking use of an NV GPU for PhysX when the main card is an ATI. Bit puzzling to say the least.

He didn't really bring up ethics though, to me he was more talking about fanboys who are like reworded "nvidia can't make a bad product, so i'm still going to buy a Fermi".

AS for lying, I'm not talking about lying being bad, without lying the corporate world simply wouldn't work

THe problem is when you lie constantly about what you're selling, when its available, numbers, profits and problems, after 2 years, the people that fund Nvidia are stopping believing them and that has already hurt Nvidia and continues to hurt Nvidia, long term, that can put them out of business. If they continue making cards that make no profit, and their share value tanks, they'll literally run out of cash and end up dead.

AS for the dev program and the bad ethics of removing features like AA in batman, it will work for them, but then Nvidia games, the majority of them, without any overly negative/anti AMD tactics, still ran better on Nvidia hardware. But the trouble over Batman and the dev laying the blame solely at Nvidia's feet and Nvidia blaming the dev. Well the dev got bad publicity, now instead of being a TWIMTBP dev, the next game they'll probably be neutral or even go with AMD's gaming program to avoid bad publicity. SO it worked out badly long term for Nvidia, when they could have not done what they did, still had a Phsyx capable title, still been able to claim a better experience, but NONE of the negative publicity and probably still have a dev happy to work with them in the future.


I mean Sony are rumoured to want nothing more to do with Nvidia because they were horrible to work with, as many other companies seem to be in the same situation, with Apple supposedly looking to move away from Nvidia, its not the morals, and who will buy what if they seem bad. Its the partners in the industry who don't like the bad publicity, not the end users.

 

[TAC4U]

I couldn't give a flying flip about NV's business 'ethics'. They are a business at the end of the day and of course they want their cards to be seen as having 'more capabilities' or 'exclusive software features' regardless of their actual worth, it does work and fair play to them.

All this ethics nonsense is starting to grate, I mean seriously why does it bother you so much?

Because it's completely undermining gaming. They're paying off developers and incorporating exclusive code to the detriment of the competition. It's completely abhorrent that you don't care about such behaviour. It's people like you that are responsible for the morally bankrupt society we live in. At the end of the day they are a business and if they keep annoying their existing and potential customers then they're going to lose out, particularly when they have an underperforming GPU.

If I don't like something then I won't support it. I respect what nVidia has accomplished technically but simply can't support a business that treats its customers so badly. Why can't I use my old 8800GT as a PhysX card, even though it's perfectly capable? Yup, because nVidia says no. There's no technical reason. They just don't want it.