Fiat engine problem, video inside

i though it may be that so pulled one of the plugs of my car to see if it back fires though the carb and did not? is it diffrent in all cars?
 
Defiantly misfiring. Check HT leads and spark plugs etc as mentioned. I don't know much about that particular engine but if it has a dizzy cap, check and clean the contacts and the same goes for the rotor arm.
 
Have you got the leads in the correct order and has the dizzy been touched at any point? You can get similar symptoms if you have the timing completley out, is the only reason I mention it......
 
i took the head of to day and found the 3 of the rockers had come out. bit that sits on top of the valve

is the engine shot or can you fix it or is skip job
 
Check the Ignition timing gear.

Get the rocker cover off and set the tappet clearances, where fords go loose and rattly, FIATs go tight and burn exhaust valves. Do this with the engine cold.
 
MaXXeH said:
i took the head of to day and found the 3 of the rockers had come out. bit that sits on top of the valve

is the engine shot or can you fix it or is skip job

Oops, disregard my last post.

How bad is the damage where they have broken free?

It probably wants a new head, handy that you've already got it off, unless you meant rocker cover.

Edit: Nealy forgot, it's NOT a carb, it's a throttle body.
 
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Bobster said:
Defiantly misfiring. Check HT leads and spark plugs etc as mentioned. I don't know much about that particular engine but if it has a dizzy cap, check and clean the contacts and the same goes for the rotor arm.

If that's 2 ignition coils I see bolted onto the right of the head, so you'll have a very hard time finding the dizzy.
 
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BigglesPiP said:
If that's 2 ignition coils I see bolted onto the right of the head, so you'll have a very hard time finding the dizzy.
If being the operative word here. As i said. i don't know much about the particular engine and i said if it does have a dizzy check it.
It's hard to tell from the video.
 
well i am a bit new to this, so could be the rocker cover, do you think it is repair able or just take it to the scap yard?

If you look at the first injecter, top left. It has sherd a bit of metal of the bottom. so petrol is going into the oil

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Bits that where sitting in there

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would this have damaged the valves?
 
Well, the bit thats broken, can you get it off of your engine?

If so, then you can look out for a car with the same engine in a scrap yard, bring yer tools and get a replacement.
 
I'm not sure what you are refering to when you mention "injector" or why petrol would be going into the oil? The car will have just one injector, which will be in the throttle body. The pipes you see above the cam is an oil spray bar to keep the cam lobes lubricated.

If one or more rockers have broken, it's a fair sign that either something has been sucked into the the engine (e.g. stray nut or bolt), or that the cam timing has slipped due to a broken or loose timing belt. This can cause the pistons to hit the valves with a lot of force, certainly enough to snap those rather spindly looking rockers. If this is the case then you are probably looking at bent valves as well, which will require cylinder head removal, and maybe even piston damage which would be expensive to fix. Does the timing belt look in good condition and properly tensioned? Does it look like it's been recently replaced? Check the valve timing before attemping to run it again.

Looking at the design it's also possible that a follower could get displaced if the valve clearance was excessive.

How much damage has been caused to the cam and surrounding areas? Have you managed to retrieve all the bits of the broken rockers? If not they will be floating around in the engine somewhere, hopefully in the sump and will need to be found and removed.

It looks like an easy engine to work on, but fiat parts can be quite expensive. If you have all the broken parts, if you can pick one up cheaply it may be worth getting a second hand head and swapping the cam and followers over, then doing a compression test. If a compression test shows low compression, then the head will need to come off to check for bent valves and any piston damage.

If all else fails, I suspect a s/h engine from a breakers won't be particularly expensive.
 
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