Fibre for everyone!?!??!!

Steveocee · 23 Jul 2018 at 07:39

Interesting read for anyone remotely interested in connectivity;
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/forging-a-full-fibre-broadband-and-5g-future-for-all

A very exciting few years to come?

jsmoke · 23 Jul 2018 at 07:45

No fibre no win.

strumpusplunket · 23 Jul 2018 at 08:17

And yet here I sit (well not literally right now, I'm not at home...) in a major suburb of a major city, densely populated and close to educational institutions - stuck on copper. No fibre for our cabinet apparently. I've been emailing about this for years. It's got to the point I dout anything is ever going to happen. I see this prioritising rural areas first too. C'mon, we have urban dark spots for fibre too!

bloodiedathame · 23 Jul 2018 at 08:22

strumpusplunket said:
And yet here I sit (well not literally right now, I'm not at home...) in a major suburb of a major city, densely populated and close to educational institutions - stuck on copper. No fibre for our cabinet apparently. I've been emailing about this for years. It's got to the point I dout anything is ever going to happen. I see this prioritising rural areas first too. C'mon, we have urban dark spots for fibre too!

We're the same, the whole area has it apart from our cabinet (100ish homes). I've emailed and been told community fibre is the best option, then been told funding has been allocated, then seen that we're not on the list they said we were and now they've gone dark. 4 doors down, just round the corner, they've got fibre. Very frustrating .

strumpusplunket · 23 Jul 2018 at 09:57

bloodiedathame said:
We're the same, the whole area has it apart from our cabinet (100ish homes). I've emailed and been told community fibre is the best option, then been told funding has been allocated, then seen that we're not on the list they said we were and now they've gone dark. 4 doors down, just round the corner, they've got fibre. Very frustrating .

Yeah, that's exaclty the same run-around I've got from them. Completely unhelpful. Similar to you, one road over is enjoying high-speed fibre, and our road is crawling along on copper. It is indeed damned frustrating!

willhub · 23 Jul 2018 at 10:37

I live in MediaCityUK, very central to Manchester, max speed we can get? 6mbit!

Steveocee · 23 Jul 2018 at 11:38

I've read on several sites about a copper stop-sell in 2025. Ambitious plans?

nlel1975 · 23 Jul 2018 at 12:28

I live in Jersey and got interested in up to 1 Gigabit FTTP fibre five years ago, back then it wasn't available to everyone. As luck would have it another company set up their own FTTP fibre but this only came in one speed of up to 38mbit/s. Back then this was quite fast and it's served me well over the last five years.

Having this service saved me waiting around for the faster FTTP which will require a second fibre cable to be brought into my home. I read in the paper the other week that they had completed the fibre roll out which means it should be available to everyone, I wasn't hanging around waiting for it so the time has flown by.

Armageus · 23 Jul 2018 at 12:42

Hopefully this means that G.Fast actually gets abandoned and they do make good on the "full fibre broadband" promise

Raggs · 23 Jul 2018 at 13:10

about time we are seriously lagging behind other European countries only 4% here have full fibre that's pathetic and yet Portugal has 89% coverage.

ttaskmaster · 23 Jul 2018 at 13:21

We've had fibre installed for the past 7 months... we still can't get it connected, though.

Orcvader · 23 Jul 2018 at 14:17

I'll believe it when I see it. I mean, at work in Central London between Leicester Square and Piccadilly Circus and the entire street is still stuck on ADSL simply because we're on a direct line to the exchange.

At least it seems they're attempting to try speed things up by making it easier for operators to lay in new fibre cables. But I'm sure something will still end up slowing it down.

bloodiedathame · 23 Jul 2018 at 15:21

strumpusplunket said:
Yeah, that's exaclty the same run-around I've got from them. Completely unhelpful. Similar to you, one road over is enjoying high-speed fibre, and our road is crawling along on copper. It is indeed damned frustrating!

Just checked my emails, I first emailed Clive Selley in October 2016. He put me in touch with Community Fibre, and was told in Jan 2017 that my cabinet was going to get upgraded in the next rollout... no need for community funding. Lo and behold, the list came out in Feb 2017 with postcodes getting upgraded, we weren't on it. I got in touch querying it and eventually got a reply that they were meeting in March (by this time it's not 2017 anymore, it's 2018) and that I'd be updated... not heard anything since then. I've just emailed Clive Selley again hoping that he can point this thing in the right direction.

Rainmaker · 23 Jul 2018 at 18:02

Great! So I'll (eventually) *finally* get FTTP, only to discover I can now buy the 'top package' of 350Mbps for twice what I'm paying now. Tell me I'm wrong.

Hopefully at least contention won't be bad and pings will be much better than DOCSIS.

LoadsaMoney · 23 Jul 2018 at 18:55

Believe it when i see it, ive not long been able to get Fibre here, only a couple of years or so, was stuck on 6.5mb ADLS for bloody eons.

Can't even get cable here, LOL!

pcfarrar · 24 Jul 2018 at 09:07

Armageus said:
Hopefully this means that G.Fast actually gets abandoned and they do make good on the "full fibre broadband" promise

G.fast should be scrapped and VDSL2 profile 35b used instead. Everyone benefits from 35b unlike the lucky few who live close to the cabinet for G.fast.

35b would have been a good stop gap until full fibre could be installed.

bloodiedathame · 24 Jul 2018 at 09:09

bloodiedathame said:
Just checked my emails, I first emailed Clive Selley in October 2016. He put me in touch with Community Fibre, and was told in Jan 2017 that my cabinet was going to get upgraded in the next rollout... no need for community funding. Lo and behold, the list came out in Feb 2017 with postcodes getting upgraded, we weren't on it. I got in touch querying it and eventually got a reply that they were meeting in March (by this time it's not 2017 anymore, it's 2018) and that I'd be updated... not heard anything since then. I've just emailed Clive Selley again hoping that he can point this thing in the right direction.

I actually received a reply last night, and a further email from someone managing his account, quite impressed at that. We'll see what happens next.

Armageus · 24 Jul 2018 at 09:17

pcfarrar said:
G.fast should be scrapped and VDSL2 profile 35b used instead. Everyone benefits from 35b unlike the lucky few who live close to the cabinet for G.fast.

35b would have been a good stop gap until full fibre could be installed.

35b only provides benefit within 250m of a cabinet anyway? beyond that if falls back to 17a.

G.Fast was the idea of a shoebox sized dslam mounted on the telegraph poles within reach (200-300m) of multiple subscribers, with fibre then run back from there to the cabinet

Either way, all these half-attempts need to be abandoned and just run fibre direct to the premises.
It only needs to be run once, and if speeds need to increase going forward, then just put effort into improving the technology for that (rather than wasting it trying to extract higher speeds from copper, which surely must be well and truly pushing the boundaries of what is capable of now)

pcfarrar · 24 Jul 2018 at 10:12

Armageus said:
35b only provides benefit within 250m of a cabinet anyway? beyond that if falls back to 17a.

35b is good up to 500m ish, it would certainly benefit more people than G.fast. The vectoring is also compatible with 17a vectoring.