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It will not make any difference. Look at all the people who bought 8800 GTX's at around £500. If nobody had bought one at that price then Nvidia would have reduced the RRP. They have dropped by around £50 already. People are always willing to pay top prices for new technology.
I've just upgraded to a 1950XT for £170 and it will be a while before I upgrade to Vista and a DX10 GFX card.
 
Thats not really the point though is it! If the 8800gtx was £1000 I can assure you *some* people would still buy them. Does that mean nvidia should charge £1000! The point is the cards should't cost £500 "hottest thing on the block" premium or not.

If the prices are being artifically inflated then it's really not on - people buying them or not.
 
If the prices are being artifically inflated then it's really not on - people buying them or not.
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If they sell they will not reduce prices, so consumers are their own worst enemies. If all of the UK retailers had said we are not buying them at that price, what would Nvidia have done then?
But it was give us as many as you can get they will sell like hot cakes!

Simple supply and demand.
 
H@mmer said:
Simple supply and demand.
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You work for Nvidia or something?!

It's not "simple supply and demand" if the prices are being ARTIFICIALLY inflated!!

Supply and demand set the sale price. There is sufficient supply (have been since day one) to meet available demand thus the only force pushing prices that high are the manufacturers themselves - which is the whole point.

You are right in that manufacturers are allowerd to set prices as they wish - in a competitive market. Here Nvidia and Ati have a duopoly on the 3rd party graphics card market (discounting onboard of course) and are alleged to have, in that knowledge, conciously set a set a price higher than would prevail in a competitive market. Because together they have a monopoly we have no choice but to comply. That is what is not right.

P.S. I'm might be wrong with some of the terms (last time i did economics was at gcse :)) but you get the gist...

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Top end stuff comes with top end prices.

Live with it.

And take a look at what your getting for your money. Its much much more than the top end CPUs.
 
no_1_dave said:
Under £400 some places including VAT
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Well if you look on the OcUK the GTX's are still around the £450 mark.

At launch they were nearer £500. Lets see what the RRP of Ati's R600 will be.
 
xsnv said:
You work for Nvidia or something?!

It's not "simple supply and demand" if the prices are being ARTIFICIALLY inflated!!

Supply and demand set the sale price. There is sufficient supply (have been since day one) to meet available demand thus the only force pushing prices that high are the manufacturers themselves - which is the whole point.

You are right in that manufacturers are allowerd to set prices as they wish - in a competitive market. Here Nvidia and Ati have a duopoly on the 3rd party graphics card market (discounting onboard of course) and are alleged to have, in that knowledge, conciously set a set a price higher than would prevail in a competitive market. Because together they have a monopoly we have no choice but to comply. That is what is not right.

P.S. I'm might be wrong with some of the terms (last time i did economics was at gcse :)) but you get the gist...

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Thats not supply and demand

Supply and demand means....If there's a high demand then they limit the supply to keep the price high. Like with oil, if the demand is exceedingly high then they increase the supply, but only to the point where they can still keep the same price.

You don't know what your talking about mate :D
 
H@mmer said:
Well if you look on the OcUK the GTX's are still around the £450 mark.

At launch they were nearer £500. Lets see what the RRP of Ati's R600 will be.
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On launch day, cheapest I saw was £430, couple days later I picked one up for £399 inc vat, also got £15 in cashback from my quidco account.

So £385.

Which is no more expensive than the last gen, actually its cheaper, performance difference is way higher from 7-8th gen than 6-7th gen.

If people think that ocuk is the only shop in the world then thats their problem.

Depends if you value "support" over price, I don't value support at all, I've got my statutory rights which include a years warranty with the retailer - and that is true wherever I shop.

I've only said the above for the purpose of this thread, I'm not getting into any price discussion as such, but when people are making points on false price assumptions a price obviously needs to be quoted.
 
ernysmuntz said:
I've only said the above for the purpose of this thread, I'm not getting into any price discussion as such, but when people are making points on false price assumptions a price obviously needs to be quoted.
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I'm only going on prices from OcUK as this is thier forum. I said £500 and launch was £480 I wasn't that far off the mark.

Back to the original post do you really think it will make any difference to the prices? I for one do not.
 
ernysmuntz said:
Thats not supply and demand

Supply and demand means....If there's a high demand then they limit the supply to keep the price high. Like with oil, if the demand is exceedingly high then they increase the supply, but only to the point where they can still keep the same price.

You don't know what your talking about mate :D
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Lol. Humour me then all knowing economist; what is price fixing? You say I don't know what i'm talking about? - when where 8800gtx's in short supply? did they sell out at launch everywhere? Are they still short in supply?!

It's not a matter of supply and demand but of the two only graphics manufactures conspiring to inflate prices. Supply hasn't got anything to do with the prices.

Btw oil prices were high because there was ACTUALLY a shortage in supply plus the then daily "accidents" in Iraq and reduced throughput from Nigeria affected the major stock markets in a way I won't pretend to understand. It wasn't a case of Shell, Agip, Texaco etc meeting up and saying you know what, we'l charge £1 per litre.

"Remove the log in your eye before you attempt to remove the splinter in mine"
 
thing is there usually IS a shortage of the highest level chips at the launch.

the yields are usually low reducing the supply of the item hence why the top spec chips are overpriced.

when manufacturing has come down to a sensible costing, with higher yields they are able to drop the sell on the cards.
 
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