Find a replacement for my RX480

[Poneros]

Nicely priced? get a used 3070 for basically half that for almost identical performance

Getting a used 3070 is a bad idea. If you go Nvidia, you do it for the features, but a 3070 chokes itself due to low vram, so no point in buying one over an AMD card, used or not. Not to mention he said he has a 4K screen, so you want enough vram to use higher textures (which you can do, because they cost little performance... but a lot of memory). The only reason to ever get a used 3070 is if you find someone damn near giving it away for free.

Was thinking the same, you need your head checking if you're working out nearly£400 for that.

7800xt new is ~400, that would be my pick

I see there's now a 7800 XT at £410. That's a decent alternative. Still debatable given the examples he mentions (f.ex. CP2077 RT + Minecraft RT) where even the 7800 XT with all its extra grunt still doesn't beat the 4060 Ti AND also has worse image quality given FSR vs DLSS, but it's certainly much faster in raster (tho also much higher power draw). The issue is that the 7800 XT is a 'win more' card, where you have higher fps in situations where you're already >60 fps, but on the other hand the 4060 Ti has more options to get you to 60 fps (or a bit above) in situations where the 7800 XT would just falter and you'd have to enjoy the console cinematic 30-40 fps range.

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[Defy Belief]

Getting a used 3070 is a bad idea. If you go Nvidia, you do it for the features, but a 3070 chokes itself due to low vram, so no point in buying one over an AMD card, used or not. Not to mention he said he has a 4K screen, so you want enough vram to use higher textures (which you can do, because they cost little performance... but a lot of memory). The only reason to ever get a used 3070 is if you find someone damn near giving it away for free.


I see there's now a 7800 XT at £410. That's a decent alternative. Still debatable given the examples he mentions (f.ex. CP2077 RT + Minecraft RT) where even the 7800 XT with all its extra grunt still doesn't beat the 4060 Ti AND also has worse image quality given FSR vs DLSS, but it's certainly much faster in raster (tho also much higher power draw). The issue is that the 7800 XT is a 'win more' card, where you have higher fps in situations where you're already >60 fps, but on the other hand the 4060 Ti has more options to get you to 60 fps (or a bit above) in situations where the 7800 XT would just falter and you'd have to enjoy the console cinematic 30-40 fps range.

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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB Review - Twice the VRAM Making a Difference?

Finally! Our GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB review is live. We're investigating what performance gains you can expect from doubling the VRAM size to 16 GB. Our review of the 16 GB version also looks at power consumption and how overclocking is affected by the additional four memory chips on the back...

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3070 beats a 16gb 4060ti in all resolutions, people get so obsessed with vram but there are far more important things in a gpu for outright performance, such as the memory bus and bandwidth, both of which are pants on a 4060ti (especially at nearly £400.)

 

[Poneros]

3070 beats a 16gb 4060ti in all resolutions

With low textures... yes. We are in agreement. But people don't want to play with low textures, that's the issue! We had 2 threads with hundreds of pages going over all kinds of examples of how poorly 8 GB of vram fares (ever since 2020), but sadly they got closed (perhaps they're still archived somewhere).
edit: found 'em

Is 8GB of Vram enough for the 3070

Nvidia is saying that the 8GB 3070 is fast as or even faster then the 2080ti which has 11GB of vram Is having only 8GB of vram going be enough ?

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10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..

Seen quite a few back and forth talk online about 10GB cutting it a bit short, others saying it's fine. Usage at 1440p is less than 4K but there is still a few games where usage goes just above 10GB. So do we think the rumours of extra cards with 20GB will be there to pre-order with the other...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

Here's how the difference looks (this was made for 3080 vs 6800 XT, because not even Nvidia fans back then thought of defending the 8 GB Vram of the 3070; hard to believe someone would do it in 2024 but I guess we call that pulling an Intel now):

 

[Defy Belief]

With low textures... yes. We are in agreement. But people don't want to play with low textures, that's the issue! We had 2 threads with hundreds of pages going over all kinds of examples of how poorly 8 GB of vram fares (ever since 2020), but sadly they got closed (perhaps they're still archived somewhere).
edit: found 'em

Is 8GB of Vram enough for the 3070

Nvidia is saying that the 8GB 3070 is fast as or even faster then the 2080ti which has 11GB of vram Is having only 8GB of vram going be enough ?

forums.overclockers.co.uk

10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..

Seen quite a few back and forth talk online about 10GB cutting it a bit short, others saying it's fine. Usage at 1440p is less than 4K but there is still a few games where usage goes just above 10GB. So do we think the rumours of extra cards with 20GB will be there to pre-order with the other...

forums.overclockers.co.uk

Here's how the difference looks (this was made for 3080 vs 6800 XT, because not even Nvidia fans back then thought of defending the 8 GB Vram of the 3070; hard to believe someone would do it in 2024 but I guess we call that pulling an Intel now):

I can't imagine all the benchmarks in reviews are low textures, they usually use ultra/high etc.

I'm not denying that vram is important, but it's not as easy as 'a 4060ti has 16gb' when it's bandwidth is poor as is it's 128-bit bus.

My main gripe was saying that a 4060ti represented nice pricing at £389.99 when it's rubbish

 

[Tetras]

I see there's now a 7800 XT at £410. That's a decent alternative. Still debatable given the examples he mentions (f.ex. CP2077 RT + Minecraft RT) where even the 7800 XT with all its extra grunt still doesn't beat the 4060 Ti AND also has worse image quality given FSR vs DLSS, but it's certainly much faster in raster (tho also much higher power draw). The issue is that the 7800 XT is a 'win more' card, where you have higher fps in situations where you're already >60 fps, but on the other hand the 4060 Ti has more options to get you to 60 fps (or a bit above) in situations where the 7800 XT would just falter and you'd have to enjoy the console cinematic 30-40 fps range.

I don't think I'd want to buy a 4060 Ti 16GB just because of those specific scenarios, I mean... I'm all in favour of buying based on your usage an all.., but at 4K I'd take the extra grunt/doubled bandwidth of the 7800 XT all day long.

 

[welshrat]

Absolutely no way I would buy a 3070 with a 4k screen. You ideally need 16gb. 4060 ti will upscale well with dlss but ideally for the long run I would want a better card. 7900xt or a 4070 ti super.

 

[Nathlm]

For 4K it's tricky, but perhaps a 7900xt, as they are starting to come in around the £500 mark now, but with next gen around the corner, might be best waiting

 

[andybird123]

Thanks, I did think that DLSS would play a big part. My knowledge is limited, but even I know that AMD is far behind in terms of optimisation and game support, worth the extra money IMO.

Yeah that's a valid point, they can't be far around the corner...some good opportunities for some bargains.

Thanks that's something to think about, as I mentioned above I'd like the benefit of DLSS even if it costs that little bit extra just for overall game support and optimisation.

I'll keep an eye out, just comparing with nvidia models atm

Is my system really that much of a bottleneck? I figured the RAM not so much, is my CPU that bad? I thought higher resolutions placed more emphasis on the GPU. I'd like to keep my current socket unless necessary, plus cooling is a factor due to it being a SFF build, that's why I went with the 11400 - very low power requirements

I've got an rtx 3080, spotted a deal on a 13900k going from a 12600k (overclocked) and picked up about 10+fps in most games I'm currently playing. So yes an 11400 is definitely going to bottleneck a current £500 GPU.

 

[/\ndy]

I've got an rtx 3080, spotted a deal on a 13900k going from a 12600k (overclocked) and picked up about 10+fps in most games I'm currently playing. So yes an 11400 is definitely going to bottleneck a current £500 GPU.

Ok fair enough. I don't want to change my whole chipset so best I can probably get would be a 11700k

 

[/\ndy]

I don't think I'd want to buy a 4060 Ti 16GB just because of those specific scenarios, I mean... I'm all in favour of buying based on your usage an all.., but at 4K I'd take the extra grunt/doubled bandwidth of the 7800 XT all day long.

The 7800xt looks a solid bet, £400 now on ocuk deal.... tempting

 

[Nathlm]

The 7800xt looks a solid bet, £400 now on ocuk deal.... tempting

Yeah, the 7800xt can frequently be had for under £400 and if you wait until black Friday, I reckon £350 might be a price that we see fairly common